1 00:00:06,950 --> 00:00:04,430 welcome to tales from the rabbit hole 2 00:00:10,940 --> 00:00:06,960 I'm your host Nick West my guest today 3 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:10,950 is Johnny and Johnny I just met very not 4 00:00:15,919 --> 00:00:13,290 very long ago on Facebook and one of the 5 00:00:17,990 --> 00:00:15,929 flat earth groups and he actually a very 6 00:00:20,689 --> 00:00:18,000 interesting post about here how he used 7 00:00:22,849 --> 00:00:20,699 to be a flat earth believer and now he 8 00:00:25,370 --> 00:00:22,859 isn't and now he's spending some time 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:25,380 like trying to help people who were 10 00:00:30,679 --> 00:00:26,970 still kind of stuck earthy stuck in the 11 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:30,689 flat earth way of thinking so Johnny 12 00:00:37,100 --> 00:00:34,460 welcome to tales from the rabbit hole 13 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:37,110 that's great great to have you here and 14 00:00:40,819 --> 00:00:39,090 you're in the UK so probably get 15 00:00:42,860 --> 00:00:40,829 beginning a little little delay between 16 00:00:47,619 --> 00:00:42,870 our questions just so people don't think 17 00:00:50,630 --> 00:00:47,629 there's anything wrong but yeah but so 18 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:50,640 let's just kind of start with like what 19 00:00:56,420 --> 00:00:53,250 you talked about in your your post on 20 00:00:59,029 --> 00:00:56,430 Facebook how how you actually got 21 00:01:03,529 --> 00:00:59,039 interface into flat earth and cast aside 22 00:01:06,289 --> 00:01:03,539 for you with like 9/11 well in a sense 23 00:01:08,330 --> 00:01:06,299 yeah I mean I saw you speaking to 24 00:01:10,700 --> 00:01:08,340 another flight affair and you mentioned 25 00:01:13,130 --> 00:01:10,710 you kind of brushed over the movie Z 26 00:01:15,649 --> 00:01:13,140 ghost the guy at the scene yeah kind of 27 00:01:18,140 --> 00:01:15,659 wait wait that's what kind of Drew me 28 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:18,150 into a lot of a lot of conspiracy that 29 00:01:23,090 --> 00:01:21,210 movie alone and I just got got onto a 30 00:01:26,539 --> 00:01:23,100 boyfriend so obviously the 9/11 stuff in 31 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:26,549 there it see when he's pot to you in a 32 00:01:31,190 --> 00:01:29,490 certain way you believe it so you follow 33 00:01:33,740 --> 00:01:31,200 that train of thought and you search 34 00:01:35,450 --> 00:01:33,750 those certain things where is when you 35 00:01:37,730 --> 00:01:35,460 when you look at the bigger picture of 36 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:37,740 anything like that things start clear 37 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:41,850 not now we're 9/11 the pretty much the 38 00:01:48,350 --> 00:01:44,570 only thing that grips to me now is the 39 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:48,360 the BBC News where the lady said sour 40 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:49,770 settings just following but it was 41 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:53,460 behind during the behind the window the 42 00:01:59,630 --> 00:01:56,490 rest of its kind of explainable and has 43 00:02:01,429 --> 00:01:59,640 been explained and he had his hundreds 44 00:02:03,230 --> 00:02:01,439 of videos talking about how it's not 45 00:02:05,569 --> 00:02:03,240 right and hundreds of videos so you know 46 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:05,579 Israel so that I just kind of give it a 47 00:02:10,570 --> 00:02:06,780 bit of a buy in a minute it's not 48 00:02:13,420 --> 00:02:10,580 something that kind of draws me in 49 00:02:16,010 --> 00:02:13,430 but again obviously you've done a lot on 50 00:02:17,690 --> 00:02:16,020 911 so I'm sure you know about that 51 00:02:20,540 --> 00:02:17,700 Table seven thing it's not something 52 00:02:23,510 --> 00:02:20,550 I've ever chased down and tried to find 53 00:02:25,100 --> 00:02:23,520 the proper transfer because even today 54 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:25,110 it's done a lot of people died it's not 55 00:02:29,750 --> 00:02:27,450 really I feel a bit bad kind of saying 56 00:02:31,970 --> 00:02:29,760 there's something going on so I kind of 57 00:02:36,050 --> 00:02:31,980 drew back from 9/11 it's not something 58 00:02:38,870 --> 00:02:36,060 that can dig laughter if you mean but I 59 00:02:40,850 --> 00:02:38,880 guess when you when you go into the say 60 00:02:43,340 --> 00:02:40,860 stuff like the flat earth stuff you 61 00:02:48,500 --> 00:02:43,350 would have been a fairly had hardcore 62 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:48,510 9/11 believer at the time and to an 63 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:50,370 extent it's like you had all the stuff 64 00:02:57,140 --> 00:02:52,370 about this is it Theo I 65 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:57,150 Theodore my oh my yeah things like that 66 00:03:00,920 --> 00:02:58,170 you see a lot of him 67 00:03:02,390 --> 00:03:00,930 people say that that's evidence and it 68 00:03:04,430 --> 00:03:02,400 was something I wouldn't be able to 69 00:03:07,100 --> 00:03:04,440 understand for a start so I wouldn't be 70 00:03:09,170 --> 00:03:07,110 able to know that I mean not in a 71 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:09,180 position to be able to have a decision 72 00:03:16,729 --> 00:03:13,650 either way so again it denial anything 73 00:03:19,759 --> 00:03:16,739 yeah I felt like the commission that was 74 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:19,769 released does have a few holes in there 75 00:03:26,810 --> 00:03:22,650 but again only going off pretty much the 76 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:26,820 ziggo smoother and sort of sold Zika is 77 00:03:34,430 --> 00:03:31,290 true me in senang a legend so how do you 78 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:34,440 get from there and to suspect in the 79 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:38,450 earth might be flat well it was 80 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:40,260 following a load of different ones I 81 00:03:44,570 --> 00:03:42,420 ended up looking into Nibiru you know 82 00:03:49,729 --> 00:03:44,580 the planet sure you know that one and 83 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:49,739 but it was Antarctica he was I just felt 84 00:03:52,789 --> 00:03:51,330 like there was some mysteries regarding 85 00:03:55,820 --> 00:03:52,799 on SATs because there's some things that 86 00:03:57,590 --> 00:03:55,830 may have been mysterious about it I 87 00:04:00,110 --> 00:03:57,600 found out one of the ice shelves there 88 00:04:02,539 --> 00:04:00,120 was called the Rockefeller Plateau and 89 00:04:05,030 --> 00:04:02,549 obviously the name Rockefeller sends 90 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:05,040 alarm bells everywhere so I started 91 00:04:09,020 --> 00:04:07,170 looking into an Ithaca now it wasn't 92 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:09,030 very long after looking in Sunset it's 93 00:04:11,990 --> 00:04:10,650 good that you hear a lot of the flatter 94 00:04:14,449 --> 00:04:12,000 stuff because obviously that's their 95 00:04:18,229 --> 00:04:14,459 their ice wall keeps all the watering 96 00:04:20,020 --> 00:04:18,239 yeah so that's what drew me to supply so 97 00:04:24,850 --> 00:04:20,030 I started looking into that 98 00:04:26,170 --> 00:04:24,860 now the thing with the flyer videos is 99 00:04:28,510 --> 00:04:26,180 for somebody who's not very 100 00:04:30,670 --> 00:04:28,520 scientifically literate they do sound 101 00:04:32,770 --> 00:04:30,680 better convince him with what they the 102 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:32,780 way the poor cross that's what drew me 103 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:34,250 in so all these proofs that they give 104 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:36,530 you I you know you've got to be fair 105 00:04:41,650 --> 00:04:38,090 there was three main ones that had me 106 00:04:43,150 --> 00:04:41,660 there was the fake photos of Earth and 107 00:04:46,300 --> 00:04:43,160 there was there was one of them where 108 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:46,310 these the double cloud pattern so that 109 00:04:50,590 --> 00:04:49,250 was a lots of that I thought well Oldham 110 00:04:52,150 --> 00:04:50,600 is definitely something there because 111 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:52,160 those clouds have definitely been 112 00:04:57,430 --> 00:04:54,890 duplicated so there's clearly something 113 00:05:01,750 --> 00:04:57,440 wrong with that photo so widely seen 114 00:05:04,060 --> 00:05:01,760 fake photos so the photo that's the one 115 00:05:06,250 --> 00:05:04,070 the photo of Earth is used it was used 116 00:05:10,060 --> 00:05:06,260 on the original iPhone as like the 117 00:05:11,409 --> 00:05:10,070 wallpaper on the original iPhone yeah is 118 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:11,419 it the one that's actually known as Blue 119 00:05:15,100 --> 00:05:13,730 Marble it's one of the blue marbles yeah 120 00:05:16,990 --> 00:05:15,110 there's a few different Blue Marble 121 00:05:19,390 --> 00:05:17,000 images and all the Blue Marble images 122 00:05:24,190 --> 00:05:19,400 none of them are actually real images of 123 00:05:24,610 --> 00:05:24,200 the earth just these basically flat flat 124 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:24,620 maps 125 00:05:28,510 --> 00:05:25,970 yeah the earth like you know I guess 126 00:05:30,250 --> 00:05:28,520 it's an equi rectangular projection of 127 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:30,260 the earth is where it is and it's 128 00:05:33,130 --> 00:05:31,610 something they can use to make a 3d 129 00:05:36,370 --> 00:05:33,140 model of the earth and they make it by 130 00:05:37,780 --> 00:05:36,380 having a satellite go around here's the 131 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:37,790 same satellite that's always been going 132 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:40,250 around and they take all these strips 133 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:42,260 and they make the composit image but 134 00:05:48,490 --> 00:05:45,610 yeah it's the one that was used for the 135 00:05:50,590 --> 00:05:48,500 the iPhone wallpaper so became kind of 136 00:05:53,860 --> 00:05:50,600 famous and it's got these things on the 137 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:53,870 said which is this areas of the cloud in 138 00:05:56,980 --> 00:05:55,010 it which you can see have been 139 00:05:59,080 --> 00:05:56,990 duplicated they've had it like copy and 140 00:06:00,760 --> 00:05:59,090 paste a bit of a cloud so it's obviously 141 00:06:02,890 --> 00:06:00,770 been edited and that makes people to be 142 00:06:07,270 --> 00:06:02,900 very suspicious and imagine it made you 143 00:06:09,159 --> 00:06:07,280 sufficiently and I've seen so many flat 144 00:06:10,870 --> 00:06:09,169 earth posts showing well to be fair not 145 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:10,880 so much anymore but years ago he saw 146 00:06:15,010 --> 00:06:12,890 quite a lot of them pointing out those 147 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:15,020 double cloud patterns so that was 148 00:06:20,620 --> 00:06:16,970 something that gripped me and there was 149 00:06:22,210 --> 00:06:20,630 one about fly paths that I mean I also 150 00:06:24,310 --> 00:06:22,220 understand these things now it's just 151 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:24,320 these were the things that drew me in 152 00:06:28,990 --> 00:06:27,050 them well then the other one was Chicago 153 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:29,000 over Lake Michigan right now that was a 154 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:31,610 big one for me because it's a matter of 155 00:06:35,089 --> 00:06:33,360 well yeah it's too 156 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:35,099 far away you shouldn't be able to see it 157 00:06:41,450 --> 00:06:39,840 so end up being drawn into it started 158 00:06:44,330 --> 00:06:41,460 looking at all these other proofs all 159 00:06:47,110 --> 00:06:44,340 these videos and obviously again to an 160 00:06:50,629 --> 00:06:47,120 untrained mind the are very convincing 161 00:06:52,219 --> 00:06:50,639 and so that was when it was host kind of 162 00:06:54,740 --> 00:06:52,229 hope so I was telling my friends and you 163 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:54,750 know look at look at this you know why 164 00:06:58,309 --> 00:06:56,250 is this happening why these flight paths 165 00:06:59,839 --> 00:06:58,319 like this look at this follow of Earth 166 00:07:01,999 --> 00:06:59,849 or the obvious is something going on 167 00:07:04,700 --> 00:07:02,009 that's not true that would be into all 168 00:07:07,129 --> 00:07:04,710 these true so that was what gripped me 169 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:07,139 with regards to the Flat Earth and those 170 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:09,090 three main things drew me in and then 171 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:10,770 all the other things it was kind of 172 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:12,449 bonus starts with the Flat Earth if you 173 00:07:15,019 --> 00:07:13,620 know I mean it's like well yeah that's 174 00:07:16,879 --> 00:07:15,029 that's right as well and that's right as 175 00:07:19,219 --> 00:07:16,889 well because in all fairness the way the 176 00:07:21,140 --> 00:07:19,229 videos are put across as much as they 177 00:07:23,209 --> 00:07:21,150 like to use the tagline research Flat 178 00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:23,219 Earth they telling you that these things 179 00:07:26,209 --> 00:07:24,240 are true 180 00:07:28,550 --> 00:07:26,219 that's bear for complain you don't need 181 00:07:30,529 --> 00:07:28,560 to research and that was that was the 182 00:07:33,019 --> 00:07:30,539 impression I've gotten at the time when 183 00:07:35,779 --> 00:07:33,029 you're in it you don't realize every 184 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:35,789 time you you want to research you start 185 00:07:40,430 --> 00:07:38,490 your search with the term Flat Earth so 186 00:07:41,719 --> 00:07:40,440 somebody says sunsets you search 187 00:07:43,939 --> 00:07:41,729 flattery with sunsets 188 00:07:46,159 --> 00:07:43,949 somebody says eclipses you searched Flat 189 00:07:49,189 --> 00:07:46,169 Earth eclipses and you find the answer 190 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:49,199 that Flat Earth Gibbs and you give that 191 00:07:53,869 --> 00:07:51,930 answer so when you're then questioned on 192 00:07:55,430 --> 00:07:53,879 your answer you like well here's the 193 00:07:57,890 --> 00:07:55,440 video have a look here's where I've got 194 00:08:00,110 --> 00:07:57,900 me an answer from so you do have a hell 195 00:08:03,679 --> 00:08:00,120 of a lot of backup from a flat earth 196 00:08:06,499 --> 00:08:03,689 nice when I was when I was deep in it in 197 00:08:08,899 --> 00:08:06,509 all fairness less than six months I felt 198 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:08,909 like I was convinced I won't say I 199 00:08:12,019 --> 00:08:10,770 believe I was convinced there was 200 00:08:14,059 --> 00:08:12,029 definitely something wrong with the 201 00:08:15,829 --> 00:08:14,069 globe model at first I'm thinking well 202 00:08:17,379 --> 00:08:15,839 Chicago over Lake Michigan maybe the 203 00:08:19,939 --> 00:08:17,389 Earth's just much larger than we thought 204 00:08:21,469 --> 00:08:19,949 then you know because we can clearly see 205 00:08:24,679 --> 00:08:21,479 sheikah it's clearly there and it should 206 00:08:27,260 --> 00:08:24,689 be behind a curve or we're given 207 00:08:28,459 --> 00:08:27,270 dimensions that don't match I mean like 208 00:08:30,490 --> 00:08:28,469 I said I do understand that all this now 209 00:08:34,250 --> 00:08:30,500 I can you know I know it's the shoe 210 00:08:38,060 --> 00:08:34,260 cabinet Lake Michigan is one of my main 211 00:08:40,339 --> 00:08:38,070 ways of proving curvature as a non flat 212 00:08:43,850 --> 00:08:40,349 earther no specialist on beings at 213 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:43,860 office can easily prove curvature with 214 00:08:49,770 --> 00:08:45,610 that 215 00:08:52,650 --> 00:08:49,780 deep into it so when when you were deep 216 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:52,660 into it and yeah yeah you told your 217 00:08:56,370 --> 00:08:54,880 friends like you know look at this hey 218 00:09:02,400 --> 00:08:56,380 what kind of reaction did you get and 219 00:09:04,230 --> 00:09:02,410 did they try to pull you out of it well 220 00:09:07,650 --> 00:09:04,240 I mean a lot of them just dismissed it 221 00:09:09,930 --> 00:09:07,660 and a lot of them low you know smiling 222 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:09,940 not as she do just never leave me to it 223 00:09:15,540 --> 00:09:13,330 cuz you know the average Joe it's a 224 00:09:16,830 --> 00:09:15,550 matter of well yeah in a matter of time 225 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:16,840 you'll probably work out that you long 226 00:09:22,860 --> 00:09:20,650 and our last bit again conspiracies and 227 00:09:25,110 --> 00:09:22,870 what fumer mates are into conspiracy 228 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:25,120 theories anyway i mean doctor i'm not 229 00:09:30,660 --> 00:09:28,290 saying a disbelieve all conspiracies 230 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:30,670 alliance of feel as old as a bit mystery 231 00:09:35,070 --> 00:09:32,770 in the world that's pretty much the main 232 00:09:36,930 --> 00:09:35,080 thing that draws me into conspiracy the 233 00:09:38,310 --> 00:09:36,940 hope of mystery is like the internet's 234 00:09:40,740 --> 00:09:38,320 ruined all that for us because now we 235 00:09:44,790 --> 00:09:40,750 know everything so now the mysteries out 236 00:09:47,150 --> 00:09:44,800 there in space so it's when when you get 237 00:09:49,350 --> 00:09:47,160 a feeling that nasa's lines here and 238 00:09:53,010 --> 00:09:49,360 that everything that you've been sold is 239 00:09:55,020 --> 00:09:53,020 wrong it is a big downer and to be fair 240 00:09:57,540 --> 00:09:55,030 that it was very miserable you i'm 241 00:09:58,590 --> 00:09:57,550 watching things on TV oh i mean i don't 242 00:10:00,390 --> 00:09:58,600 watch much star wars but you watch 243 00:10:02,370 --> 00:10:00,400 things like Star Wars and Star Trek and 244 00:10:04,290 --> 00:10:02,380 stuff like and you just feel like well 245 00:10:05,730 --> 00:10:04,300 hold on a minute this is all all a big 246 00:10:08,130 --> 00:10:05,740 lie and it's never going to happen and 247 00:10:10,110 --> 00:10:08,140 it's all I mean of Star Wars and Star 248 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:10,120 Trek and real anyway but you watch 249 00:10:14,490 --> 00:10:11,620 anything about space and you think well 250 00:10:16,740 --> 00:10:14,500 if something doesn't add up and and you 251 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:16,750 start questioning everything that's been 252 00:10:20,790 --> 00:10:18,490 kind of interesting though in a way like 253 00:10:23,550 --> 00:10:20,800 yes because you you've got this idea 254 00:10:24,900 --> 00:10:23,560 that you're part of this and I'm like 255 00:10:27,150 --> 00:10:24,910 The Truman Show type thing and 256 00:10:29,370 --> 00:10:27,160 everything's fake isn't that in itself 257 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:29,380 like just like an amazing mystery like 258 00:10:33,660 --> 00:10:30,970 and you've kind of discovered some of 259 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:33,670 the secrets to it well yeah again that's 260 00:10:37,140 --> 00:10:35,530 what me so with with having a feeling 261 00:10:38,130 --> 00:10:37,150 like there's no mystery left in the 262 00:10:41,130 --> 00:10:38,140 world when something like this comes 263 00:10:43,020 --> 00:10:41,140 along you grip it and it is like a 264 00:10:44,970 --> 00:10:43,030 source of mystery for you so you do hold 265 00:10:47,850 --> 00:10:44,980 on anything that well you want it to be 266 00:10:49,530 --> 00:10:47,860 true you know you want to know that you 267 00:10:51,750 --> 00:10:49,540 know things that other people don't and 268 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:51,760 you're one of the first to understand it 269 00:10:59,340 --> 00:10:55,810 and it is it's a somebody mentioned it 270 00:11:03,940 --> 00:10:59,350 the other day a sense of bit long 271 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:03,950 our community maybe belong to a small 272 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:06,410 group of people who who have the 273 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:08,450 knowledge Neal is gonna set everyone 274 00:11:14,769 --> 00:11:12,890 free and it was a bit of air it's fair 275 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:14,779 to be brutally honest it was a very 276 00:11:19,540 --> 00:11:16,610 miserable time as much as you think the 277 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:19,550 mystery opens oh it's miserable because 278 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:21,410 you think well all this space of wonder 279 00:11:25,660 --> 00:11:23,210 that you've loved and enjoyed and 280 00:11:30,090 --> 00:11:25,670 wandered up all the Sun has just gone 281 00:11:32,620 --> 00:11:30,100 and you're left with this just the earth 282 00:11:35,260 --> 00:11:32,630 never locked into the dome watch it 283 00:11:36,850 --> 00:11:35,270 wasn't something that I didn't quite get 284 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:36,860 that advanced in the Flat Earth thing 285 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:39,170 before I started realizing that there 286 00:11:44,350 --> 00:11:41,450 was issues I was hearing from Fort Worth 287 00:11:47,560 --> 00:11:44,360 did you know he said like there's a 288 00:11:48,970 --> 00:11:47,570 sense of community did you did you meet 289 00:11:54,100 --> 00:11:48,980 it with other Flat Earth I was in real 290 00:11:57,820 --> 00:11:54,110 life none no I'd say there's on a few 291 00:11:59,980 --> 00:11:57,830 Facebook groups and at first it wasn't 292 00:12:01,570 --> 00:11:59,990 quite as abusive as it is now and I 293 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:01,580 ended up joining the Flat Earth Society 294 00:12:08,670 --> 00:12:04,970 website which now a lot of flattered 295 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:08,680 with his Karl is controlled opposition I 296 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:12,770 was on there some affair there was a lot 297 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:14,810 of people on there that were both sides 298 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:17,570 and everyone was quite nice he wasn't 299 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:19,970 really much animosity in there because 300 00:12:23,740 --> 00:12:22,490 it was a very moderated website and so 301 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:23,750 they didn't want to be taken down so 302 00:12:28,990 --> 00:12:25,610 they kept the abuse down to the minimum 303 00:12:31,510 --> 00:12:29,000 and was a lot of kind of patronizing and 304 00:12:35,620 --> 00:12:31,520 they did ridicule in only a light hide 305 00:12:39,820 --> 00:12:35,630 way well nothing like he ruthlessness of 306 00:12:42,340 --> 00:12:39,830 Facebook yeah well what's your feeling 307 00:12:45,550 --> 00:12:42,350 about like with Facebook in the 308 00:12:48,180 --> 00:12:45,560 community like what percentage of people 309 00:12:50,890 --> 00:12:48,190 who say they believe in the Flat Earth 310 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:50,900 actually believe or actually have 311 00:12:58,810 --> 00:12:52,970 genuine suspicions this is how many are 312 00:13:01,050 --> 00:12:58,820 just drawing I had to say quite a 313 00:13:05,199 --> 00:13:01,060 largest following maybe not 314 00:13:07,930 --> 00:13:05,209 intentionally or is a matter of saving 315 00:13:10,390 --> 00:13:07,940 face as I see I think these three types 316 00:13:12,140 --> 00:13:10,400 I think there's also just trolling very 317 00:13:15,500 --> 00:13:12,150 few that genuinely believe 318 00:13:18,650 --> 00:13:15,510 and those are exactly like I was curious 319 00:13:21,170 --> 00:13:18,660 in asking questions because they see 320 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:21,180 things that aren't by but with Facebook 321 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:23,610 the problem is it turns aggressive way 322 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:25,890 too quick so the people who are just 323 00:13:30,050 --> 00:13:28,170 genuinely curious they have to back 324 00:13:33,410 --> 00:13:30,060 themselves up quick so they get 325 00:13:34,790 --> 00:13:33,420 aggressive back so that's why we're if 326 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:34,800 you ever see me on there you'll never 327 00:13:39,500 --> 00:13:37,170 see me giving abuse receive a hell of a 328 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:39,510 lot I mean the furthest I go I'd 329 00:13:46,130 --> 00:13:42,510 probably say I'm politely patronizing at 330 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:46,140 times but I'll always try and imagine it 331 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:48,450 the flyer that I'm talking to is in the 332 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:50,970 same position I am because if somebody 333 00:13:55,340 --> 00:13:53,370 is like me it have come to me when I was 334 00:13:59,630 --> 00:13:55,350 in that state at a public come out of it 335 00:14:01,970 --> 00:13:59,640 a lot quicker mmm so a lot of them the 336 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:01,980 way I the way I spot a genuine one is 337 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:04,530 the one that will have the discussion 338 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:06,480 with you and have a back and forth and 339 00:14:10,940 --> 00:14:08,730 when you put a point to them they'll 340 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,950 address that point instead of instantly 341 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:12,720 divert into another one and when you 342 00:14:16,850 --> 00:14:14,520 give an answer they'll reply to your 343 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:16,860 answer and they'll listen to what you've 344 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:19,050 said and you can reply back some you say 345 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:21,120 well what about this and they'll reply 346 00:14:26,900 --> 00:14:25,110 with well we believe this so yes so the 347 00:14:28,310 --> 00:14:26,910 ones that I feel will genuine genuinely 348 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:28,320 believe the ones that love the 349 00:14:32,270 --> 00:14:30,330 back-and-forth with you you know they'll 350 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:32,280 address your points and allow you to 351 00:14:36,500 --> 00:14:34,170 address their points the ones that 352 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:36,510 instantly cut you off and just try 353 00:14:41,270 --> 00:14:38,130 divert you know I'll just give you abuse 354 00:14:42,830 --> 00:14:41,280 and they might fully believe it which is 355 00:14:44,530 --> 00:14:42,840 why they're doing that but when they're 356 00:14:47,300 --> 00:14:44,540 trying to convince you that 357 00:14:48,650 --> 00:14:47,310 transid tell everyone the truth and 358 00:14:51,260 --> 00:14:48,660 they're trying to let everybody know the 359 00:14:54,350 --> 00:14:51,270 truth they wouldn't shut you down you'd 360 00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:54,360 happily stick around and discuss where 361 00:14:58,250 --> 00:14:57,360 they feel you're mistaken so when they 362 00:15:00,410 --> 00:14:58,260 give you in evidence 363 00:15:02,300 --> 00:15:00,420 say for instance why don't we fly off 364 00:15:04,580 --> 00:15:02,310 the face of the earth with the spin and 365 00:15:06,350 --> 00:15:04,590 you say well there's no reason to 366 00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:06,360 because we're within the atmosphere 367 00:15:09,890 --> 00:15:07,470 we're encased within the atmosphere 368 00:15:11,870 --> 00:15:09,900 treat the atmosphere is the outside of a 369 00:15:13,340 --> 00:15:11,880 train for instance you know everything 370 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:13,350 within the Train you know we smoke a 371 00:15:17,780 --> 00:15:15,570 cigarette in a chain smoker stray up a 372 00:15:19,940 --> 00:15:17,790 volcano erupts on the earth smoke a 373 00:15:23,210 --> 00:15:19,950 stray up you within the train you within 374 00:15:25,010 --> 00:15:23,220 the atmosphere so at that point I'll say 375 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:25,020 to him so you you find me where science 376 00:15:28,769 --> 00:15:26,050 as the role 377 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:28,779 stops at the Earth's crust and then 378 00:15:33,629 --> 00:15:31,540 you'll have a point what science doesn't 379 00:15:36,269 --> 00:15:33,639 state that science says rotation is up 380 00:15:38,939 --> 00:15:36,279 to the atmosphere and everything within 381 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:38,949 the atmosphere rotates if a flyer that 382 00:15:43,319 --> 00:15:41,529 will take that on then I feel like 383 00:15:44,939 --> 00:15:43,329 you've got a genuine flier what if a 384 00:15:46,949 --> 00:15:44,949 fire is just saying well you just you 385 00:15:49,369 --> 00:15:46,959 just indoctrinated and you believed 386 00:15:52,229 --> 00:15:49,379 everything you told on the news then I 387 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:52,239 don't feel like they're true Flat Earth 388 00:15:57,389 --> 00:15:54,970 is the flyer the true fighters will help 389 00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:57,399 you try and understand where they feel 390 00:16:01,939 --> 00:15:59,920 you are wrong and you don't see more 391 00:16:04,949 --> 00:16:01,949 chocolate though you think they're like 392 00:16:06,780 --> 00:16:04,959 say someone's new general genuinely open 393 00:16:08,999 --> 00:16:06,790 to discussion like they're like and they 394 00:16:10,979 --> 00:16:09,009 would you accept like their the 395 00:16:13,289 --> 00:16:10,989 atmosphere orbits with the earth and 396 00:16:15,210 --> 00:16:13,299 things like that yeah what why is it 397 00:16:17,609 --> 00:16:15,220 that they haven't just googled that and 398 00:16:19,530 --> 00:16:17,619 looked it up I mean you can explain it 399 00:16:21,449 --> 00:16:19,540 to them but they should be able to you 400 00:16:23,210 --> 00:16:21,459 know if you type in like Weider's on the 401 00:16:27,989 --> 00:16:23,220 atmosphere fly off into space 402 00:16:31,439 --> 00:16:27,999 you'll get pages explaining it I think 403 00:16:35,069 --> 00:16:31,449 is because they have a lot of distrust 404 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:35,079 in everything I was on the only other 405 00:16:39,179 --> 00:16:36,850 podcast I've been on with flat earthers 406 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:39,189 I was on one let's say about three years 407 00:16:44,220 --> 00:16:41,529 ago now there is quite a few of them in 408 00:16:47,639 --> 00:16:44,230 then I was pretty much fighting my own 409 00:16:49,949 --> 00:16:47,649 corner against a lot yeah well with it 410 00:16:52,169 --> 00:16:49,959 will down to two the main guy was 411 00:16:54,299 --> 00:16:52,179 hosting the podcast and another one now 412 00:16:55,919 --> 00:16:54,309 the main guy was hosting was a was a 413 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:55,929 die-hard flat earther but he was he was 414 00:17:00,539 --> 00:16:57,490 kind of doing pretty well as a referee 415 00:17:02,489 --> 00:17:00,549 now the other guy was saying so I mean 416 00:17:05,010 --> 00:17:02,499 this is a point liberal so why we taught 417 00:17:07,260 --> 00:17:05,020 in schools while retiring schools that 418 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:07,270 the moon's phases are caused by the 419 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:09,010 Earth's shadow I mean we'd have a bit of 420 00:17:13,829 --> 00:17:10,770 a discussion before that 421 00:17:16,649 --> 00:17:13,839 he's like why why did we get a half moon 422 00:17:18,299 --> 00:17:16,659 if the Earth's fair because it's not the 423 00:17:20,250 --> 00:17:18,309 Earth's shadow it's its own shadow 424 00:17:23,819 --> 00:17:20,260 well that's not what will be taught in 425 00:17:25,620 --> 00:17:23,829 school I was like well it is what you 426 00:17:27,389 --> 00:17:25,630 were taught in school it is the moon 427 00:17:29,580 --> 00:17:27,399 phases and nothing to do with you he 428 00:17:30,990 --> 00:17:29,590 said oh and he's like no it's not that's 429 00:17:33,269 --> 00:17:31,000 not what was tiring school and it was 430 00:17:37,019 --> 00:17:33,279 only when the other Flat Earth has said 431 00:17:38,700 --> 00:17:37,029 to him look here on gone that poem 432 00:17:40,260 --> 00:17:38,710 you're not tired in school that it's the 433 00:17:42,630 --> 00:17:40,270 Earth's shadow an inch 434 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:42,640 guys I'm alright okay I must be wrong 435 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:45,130 about that it seems the longer take 436 00:17:51,420 --> 00:17:50,170 answers from other flat earthers don't 437 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:51,430 want to generalize all of them about 438 00:17:56,670 --> 00:17:54,010 Apple they say most of them are under 439 00:17:59,910 --> 00:17:56,680 that same umbrella it's a very big dish 440 00:18:02,190 --> 00:17:59,920 costing things like you know Google you 441 00:18:04,830 --> 00:18:02,200 say to someone google it mm-hmm well 442 00:18:07,230 --> 00:18:04,840 Google's not trustworthy look on weaker 443 00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:07,240 wikis definitely not trustworthy it's 444 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:08,320 like well where'd you want the 445 00:18:11,850 --> 00:18:10,810 information from you tell me where to 446 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:11,860 get you the information from and I'll 447 00:18:16,890 --> 00:18:15,730 get you from there yeah it's like the 448 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:16,900 other guy he was speaking to he said 449 00:18:23,340 --> 00:18:21,730 Google the symbols are 666 and it's it 450 00:18:26,130 --> 00:18:23,350 gets to a certain point where these no 451 00:18:28,350 --> 00:18:26,140 coming back from things like that so if 452 00:18:31,170 --> 00:18:28,360 you're gonna look at the word Google and 453 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:31,180 see something like that where do you 454 00:18:35,370 --> 00:18:33,850 want the information from yeah how are 455 00:18:37,170 --> 00:18:35,380 they gonna have a house so how do you 456 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:37,180 get them to trust you then there's it 457 00:18:41,630 --> 00:18:38,770 does it help that you used to be a 458 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:41,640 believer in the firth you tell them that 459 00:18:45,690 --> 00:18:44,410 well no what I'll normally do because I 460 00:18:48,540 --> 00:18:45,700 normally follow a certain pattern now 461 00:18:50,820 --> 00:18:48,550 and I'll say it's right do you know how 462 00:18:52,290 --> 00:18:50,830 humans are we as a species first 463 00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:52,300 determined that the earth was a globe 464 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:54,430 there's obviously lots of evidence that 465 00:18:58,680 --> 00:18:56,650 proves the globe what you've got to do 466 00:19:01,980 --> 00:18:58,690 is address that evidence have you 467 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:01,990 addressed the evidence and the vast 468 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:03,610 majority of them don't even know what 469 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:06,730 that evidence is hmm it's like another 470 00:19:10,350 --> 00:19:08,530 flyer that I saw you speaking to he was 471 00:19:12,750 --> 00:19:10,360 saying it was to do with bolts over the 472 00:19:14,790 --> 00:19:12,760 horizon well no that was that was 473 00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:14,800 verifying him what the initial one was 474 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:16,020 the lunar eclipse 475 00:19:23,010 --> 00:19:20,530 Pythagoras 500 BC and now restyle 350 BC 476 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:23,020 they they determined through the lunar 477 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:24,970 eclipse that the shadows always circular 478 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:27,970 and therefore the earth is circular and 479 00:19:32,270 --> 00:19:29,610 then it's like a bolt over the horizon 480 00:19:34,740 --> 00:19:32,280 solidified that and then you got 481 00:19:38,010 --> 00:19:34,750 everything I can't say that guy's name 482 00:19:40,830 --> 00:19:38,020 and I think Harris dust2 means I'll 483 00:19:43,830 --> 00:19:40,840 still never be able to say though and he 484 00:19:47,700 --> 00:19:43,840 came and measured the circumference 485 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:47,710 sticks so he got the district conference 486 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:50,410 now I do understand the Flat Earth is 487 00:19:54,310 --> 00:19:52,810 explanation with that guys and the 488 00:19:59,200 --> 00:19:54,320 stakes because they say well if the 489 00:20:02,500 --> 00:19:59,210 Sony's local and smaller than that those 490 00:20:05,140 --> 00:20:02,510 sticks experiment would be the same both 491 00:20:07,270 --> 00:20:05,150 have enough if if see I will take on 492 00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:07,280 board their model and things that work 493 00:20:12,310 --> 00:20:09,590 on their model according to their model 494 00:20:13,690 --> 00:20:12,320 then finally perhaps let's discuss 495 00:20:16,270 --> 00:20:13,700 something else that doesn't work on 496 00:20:18,070 --> 00:20:16,280 their model and like the lunar eclipse 497 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:18,080 which in our fairest have not had a 498 00:20:24,790 --> 00:20:22,030 single answer for well about a couple 499 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:24,800 they say the moon's self-illuminating 500 00:20:29,770 --> 00:20:27,650 and obviously shadows in the craters 501 00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:29,780 pretty much diminish that straight away 502 00:20:34,810 --> 00:20:33,320 and then they've got the Black Sun have 503 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:34,820 you heard the black sunrise 504 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,490 yeah is that like so there's a like a 505 00:20:42,970 --> 00:20:39,200 dark Sun that passes in front of the 506 00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:42,980 moon yes they say there's a the car 507 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:45,590 takes the same value in KATU there are 508 00:20:50,590 --> 00:20:47,690 the names of these two extra celestial 509 00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:50,600 objects around the earth to use as an 510 00:20:57,210 --> 00:20:52,550 excuse for the lunar eclipse now I did 511 00:21:00,730 --> 00:20:57,220 look into Rahu and it's an ancient Hindu 512 00:21:03,130 --> 00:21:00,740 astrological metaphor know anything to 513 00:21:07,210 --> 00:21:03,140 do with astronomy is to do with 514 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:07,220 astrology and it's Hinduism now with a 515 00:21:12,820 --> 00:21:10,190 lot of these being die hard um believers 516 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:12,830 of God that's when all Christians 517 00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:14,930 lassiter with the Hindu religion yeah 518 00:21:18,220 --> 00:21:17,720 and it's to do with astrology not 519 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:18,230 astronomy 520 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:21,290 it's like saying yes you know Cancer the 521 00:21:25,150 --> 00:21:23,210 crab up there go on in front of it so 522 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:25,160 that's another one I'll come to so what 523 00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:28,490 they do instead is they try to find 524 00:21:33,780 --> 00:21:31,370 flaws in the globe model version of the 525 00:21:36,100 --> 00:21:33,790 lunar eclipse so then they bring got the 526 00:21:37,810 --> 00:21:36,110 daytime lunar eclipse you know the 527 00:21:40,090 --> 00:21:37,820 Eclipse the where they see thee their 528 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:40,100 own so it's where the Sun is on the 529 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:42,770 horizon on one side and the moons on the 530 00:21:46,060 --> 00:21:44,270 other side and you can just see both of 531 00:21:49,930 --> 00:21:46,070 them at the same time but you're getting 532 00:21:52,150 --> 00:21:49,940 an eclipse yeah an ellipse there's a 533 00:21:55,210 --> 00:21:52,160 video there's a video on YouTube the 534 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:55,220 data and lunar eclipses debunk the globe 535 00:21:59,380 --> 00:21:57,770 model they go further in same a lot the 536 00:22:02,080 --> 00:21:59,390 shadows the wrong way round as well on 537 00:22:04,390 --> 00:22:02,090 the moon there's the shadow coming from 538 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:04,400 a both if it's going down in this one 539 00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,370 and the earth below then you know 540 00:22:10,990 --> 00:22:09,440 it's poor cross in a certain way where 541 00:22:12,340 --> 00:22:11,000 you look at anything wrong you know 542 00:22:13,750 --> 00:22:12,350 they've got a pine they've got the 543 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:13,760 shadows upside down and they're both 544 00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:14,810 above the horizon 545 00:22:18,790 --> 00:22:16,460 well is it difficult to understand isn't 546 00:22:21,490 --> 00:22:18,800 it if you just yeah you're trying to 547 00:22:23,470 --> 00:22:21,500 wrap your mind around how the an eclipse 548 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:23,480 actually works with the earth and the 549 00:22:29,890 --> 00:22:25,280 Sun and the moon he's not it's not an 550 00:22:32,620 --> 00:22:29,900 easy thing to understand but then you 551 00:22:34,810 --> 00:22:32,630 got the way flat-earthers work sometimes 552 00:22:35,410 --> 00:22:34,820 they'll understand refraction sometimes 553 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:35,420 the wrong 554 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:37,370 it depends what argument the revs all 555 00:22:42,610 --> 00:22:41,330 right so if you say to him well Chicago 556 00:22:45,370 --> 00:22:42,620 over Lake Michigan they'll say well why 557 00:22:48,010 --> 00:22:45,380 isn't he a upside down superior mirages 558 00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:48,020 caused by atmospheric refraction are 559 00:22:53,230 --> 00:22:51,080 inverted is that well yeah they are 560 00:22:55,210 --> 00:22:53,240 sometimes it depends on the weather 561 00:22:58,750 --> 00:22:55,220 depends on the heat and zhan the you 562 00:23:00,640 --> 00:22:58,760 know the moisture in the air and it is 563 00:23:02,290 --> 00:23:00,650 I'll I'll dependent on the weather so 564 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:02,300 Chicago over Lake Michigan for instance 565 00:23:06,270 --> 00:23:04,970 certain days you don't I'm Claire Condes 566 00:23:08,260 --> 00:23:06,280 you don't see Chicago 567 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:08,270 depending on the weather you'll see a 568 00:23:12,490 --> 00:23:10,010 small amount of it you'll see a bit more 569 00:23:14,410 --> 00:23:12,500 of it some channels you see well I'll 570 00:23:16,870 --> 00:23:14,420 explain to him and the one time you saw 571 00:23:19,330 --> 00:23:16,880 the whole of Chicago it's such a rare 572 00:23:21,340 --> 00:23:19,340 sight it made the news because they 573 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:21,350 shouldn't explain to you well the news 574 00:23:25,930 --> 00:23:22,760 guy said it was a mirage which is 575 00:23:28,570 --> 00:23:25,940 obviously yes and your ankle it is a 576 00:23:30,610 --> 00:23:28,580 mirage you know about the floating 577 00:23:32,140 --> 00:23:30,620 cities in China I'm sure you don't 578 00:23:35,170 --> 00:23:32,150 believe there's actual floating cities 579 00:23:36,970 --> 00:23:35,180 in China and they weren't upside down so 580 00:23:38,500 --> 00:23:36,980 it's not that super superhuman ologies 581 00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,510 always upside down which depending on 582 00:23:43,210 --> 00:23:40,640 the weather so then you go back to the 583 00:23:44,890 --> 00:23:43,220 lunar eclipse you say well it is 584 00:23:47,050 --> 00:23:44,900 refraction in the same well it's not 585 00:23:47,530 --> 00:23:47,060 refraction look at this shape the shadow 586 00:23:50,530 --> 00:23:47,540 on the moon 587 00:23:52,150 --> 00:23:50,540 well it's inverted like you look like 588 00:23:57,550 --> 00:23:52,160 you've already explained you understand 589 00:24:00,430 --> 00:23:57,560 with refraction so the again the the 590 00:24:02,770 --> 00:24:00,440 main to see Flat Earth is using is 591 00:24:05,770 --> 00:24:02,780 pretending science doesn't have an 592 00:24:07,660 --> 00:24:05,780 answer all right yeah science does 593 00:24:10,180 --> 00:24:07,670 answer and what they need to start doing 594 00:24:12,370 --> 00:24:10,190 is challenging that answer so I'll tell 595 00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:12,380 them all to do is cross examine what you 596 00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,960 hear in flight videos don't take my word 597 00:24:19,510 --> 00:24:16,880 for it don't say the fly earth is word 598 00:24:21,250 --> 00:24:19,520 for it cross examine it and find the 599 00:24:23,500 --> 00:24:21,260 answer if you find 600 00:24:25,060 --> 00:24:23,510 in the answer come back to me and 601 00:24:27,490 --> 00:24:25,070 present them I'm more than happy to 602 00:24:30,580 --> 00:24:27,500 discuss where you finding flaws in the 603 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:30,590 explanation science Gibbs very rarely it 604 00:24:38,590 --> 00:24:35,450 gets to that point but yeah it was 605 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Chicago itself that drew me out fit all 606 00:24:43,270 --> 00:24:40,610 right yeah cuz when you finally figure 607 00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:43,280 out how he can work I give you know you 608 00:24:47,140 --> 00:24:45,200 figure out how you can see Chicago over 609 00:24:49,150 --> 00:24:47,150 Lake Michigan I further than you should 610 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:49,160 and you can figure out like how the 611 00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:51,410 eclipse would actually work with 612 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:53,600 everything getting spheres when you 613 00:24:57,730 --> 00:24:55,010 figure it out or then it's like all 614 00:25:00,820 --> 00:24:57,740 right and then you know if that actually 615 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:00,830 works in the global model and you can 616 00:25:04,300 --> 00:25:02,930 you can understand there then you can I 617 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:04,310 guess he opens your minds to other 618 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:09,170 things yes all the other proofs that 619 00:25:19,420 --> 00:25:11,930 they give the chicago on again there is 620 00:25:21,550 --> 00:25:19,430 a video by rob Skiba i'm sure things 621 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:21,560 like yes or you took about over he's 622 00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:22,850 like well it's stayed in view at all 623 00:25:25,210 --> 00:25:23,510 times 624 00:25:28,150 --> 00:25:25,220 therefore it's clearly not sweep a 625 00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:28,160 demonologist gobble everything if it was 626 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:29,720 a superman guys what are you expecting 627 00:25:33,460 --> 00:25:31,850 here to do that a few expects it's a dip 628 00:25:35,620 --> 00:25:33,470 below the horizon and come back up 629 00:25:37,630 --> 00:25:35,630 yes better to lift it what are you 630 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:37,640 expecting what you know where's your 631 00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:39,770 where's you falsified that one question 632 00:25:42,850 --> 00:25:41,360 you just said that what would you expect 633 00:25:45,610 --> 00:25:42,860 it to do i think is like one of the most 634 00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:45,620 important questions you can ask any flat 635 00:25:49,450 --> 00:25:47,120 earther when they give an objection like 636 00:25:51,220 --> 00:25:49,460 someone says like you know if a mountain 637 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:51,230 is beyond the curve shouldn't it be 638 00:25:55,150 --> 00:25:52,730 tilting away from your shouldn't build 639 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:55,160 buildings be tilting away from you you 640 00:25:58,570 --> 00:25:56,930 asked them what how much should there be 641 00:26:01,780 --> 00:25:58,580 what would you expect it to look like 642 00:26:04,990 --> 00:26:01,790 and focus on that try to get them to 643 00:26:07,660 --> 00:26:05,000 focus on their and then another video 644 00:26:10,750 --> 00:26:07,670 rob Skiba did on the same thing i think 645 00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:10,760 it was called looming magnification not 646 00:26:16,330 --> 00:26:14,240 refraction hmm and it's around about a 647 00:26:20,590 --> 00:26:16,340 thinks about a 10 minute video just a 648 00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:20,600 short version but he says and on about 3 649 00:26:24,210 --> 00:26:22,370 quarts through he says the words and 650 00:26:26,650 --> 00:26:24,220 chicago he's never seen inverted 651 00:26:29,650 --> 00:26:26,660 therefore it is not it cannot possibly 652 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:29,660 be a superior mirages are worse to that 653 00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:32,570 effect but then literally within 20 654 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:34,070 seconds of him saying that the video is 655 00:26:38,409 --> 00:26:34,970 shoals 656 00:26:40,750 --> 00:26:38,419 Schull Chicago clearly inverting he uses 657 00:26:43,500 --> 00:26:40,760 the video from Joshua no wiki which is 658 00:26:46,570 --> 00:26:43,510 the one that made the news mmm and 659 00:26:50,580 --> 00:26:46,580 that's like a a one-minute time lapse 660 00:26:54,190 --> 00:26:50,590 video and from like 55 seconds onwards 661 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:54,200 Chicago completely inverts and you see 662 00:26:59,260 --> 00:26:56,450 the inversion in example there's your 663 00:27:00,520 --> 00:26:59,270 evidence that it's a superior menage so 664 00:27:02,620 --> 00:27:00,530 then what you got to try and get them to 665 00:27:06,220 --> 00:27:02,630 do is look into what causes superior 666 00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:06,230 mirages and what is needed because it's 667 00:27:09,490 --> 00:27:07,640 like there's a famous mean they've got a 668 00:27:11,919 --> 00:27:09,500 picture of a ship that's kind of 669 00:27:13,659 --> 00:27:11,929 inverted and it says this is a superior 670 00:27:15,700 --> 00:27:13,669 Mirage and then it's got a picture of 671 00:27:17,950 --> 00:27:15,710 Chicago at the bottom saying this is 672 00:27:20,730 --> 00:27:17,960 proof of a flat earth it's like well if 673 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:20,740 you have Maine superior mirages exist 674 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:23,450 what you need to realize that for them 675 00:27:28,779 --> 00:27:26,210 to exist over those distances you needs 676 00:27:31,330 --> 00:27:28,789 curvature because it's bending my 677 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:31,340 upwards in fairly bends like downwards 678 00:27:35,409 --> 00:27:33,530 like obviously you say the the sky in 679 00:27:37,779 --> 00:27:35,419 the road I'm sweeping analogies been 680 00:27:40,470 --> 00:27:37,789 like upwards so where's it bent in the 681 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:40,480 light of Chicago from in the water 682 00:27:45,370 --> 00:27:43,370 obviously not so the light is being bent 683 00:27:47,500 --> 00:27:45,380 upwards you need the curvature far the 684 00:27:49,899 --> 00:27:47,510 lights a bit bent upwards to sit on the 685 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:49,909 horizon like you see him well the light 686 00:27:57,580 --> 00:27:55,490 so you know the the mirages of Chicago 687 00:27:59,169 --> 00:27:57,590 like over a distance the light isn't I 688 00:28:00,760 --> 00:27:59,179 said bending upwards exactly bending 689 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:00,770 downwards but it's pending over the 690 00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:05,890 curve right but the the image of Chicago 691 00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:07,760 will be being behind the curve 692 00:28:13,690 --> 00:28:11,600 originally must be being upwards you 693 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,700 know that the image of Chicago is being 694 00:28:16,659 --> 00:28:15,440 lifted upwards to be on the horizon the 695 00:28:18,610 --> 00:28:16,669 images being so I've seen but it 696 00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:18,620 actually to lift it image upwards you 697 00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:21,340 have to bend the lights downwards oh 698 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:22,880 well there you go there's my 699 00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:29,049 misunderstanding how the no it's not 700 00:28:35,140 --> 00:28:32,000 this is that it's not very intuitive at 701 00:28:37,149 --> 00:28:35,150 all like yeah I talked to a lot of us a 702 00:28:39,549 --> 00:28:37,159 lot and this is something that you know 703 00:28:41,950 --> 00:28:39,559 even you regular people get wrong yeah 704 00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:41,960 because it's like when you if you're 705 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:44,270 looking up at something and it's 706 00:28:47,590 --> 00:28:46,130 actually lower down you think like you 707 00:28:48,799 --> 00:28:47,600 know the lights being bent bent up to 708 00:28:52,639 --> 00:28:48,809 make the light so 709 00:28:54,889 --> 00:28:52,649 hire the few to be looking up at 710 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:54,899 something and he actually being down 711 00:28:58,700 --> 00:28:56,370 here you actually to liked has to bend 712 00:29:00,350 --> 00:28:58,710 down to actually hit the thing so it had 713 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:00,360 that the light path has to go from your 714 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:03,450 eye Bend round the curve right there so 715 00:29:07,129 --> 00:29:05,730 it's it's it's it's not it's not 716 00:29:11,330 --> 00:29:07,139 intuitively obvious what's actually 717 00:29:14,029 --> 00:29:11,340 going on it's just the image of Chicago 718 00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:14,039 is being lifted because the image is 719 00:29:20,899 --> 00:29:18,179 being lifted yeah and it it doesn't 720 00:29:24,379 --> 00:29:20,909 really need a curve such to do that it 721 00:29:25,850 --> 00:29:24,389 needs a refractive index gradient which 722 00:29:27,859 --> 00:29:25,860 is another thing which is very difficult 723 00:29:29,779 --> 00:29:27,869 to understand I didn't understand it 724 00:29:32,090 --> 00:29:29,789 myself when I started looking into it I 725 00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:32,100 thought how could this possibly be you 726 00:29:35,869 --> 00:29:34,049 know if you're looking along something 727 00:29:39,019 --> 00:29:35,879 and the refractive index doesn't change 728 00:29:42,169 --> 00:29:39,029 along that light path then how does it 729 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:42,179 bend but him but he does and it's it's 730 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:44,850 very intuitive it was myself looking 731 00:29:49,789 --> 00:29:47,629 into superior mirages are locked into 732 00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,799 obviously a lot song wiki and then got 733 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:51,840 where wiki was various sources from and 734 00:29:56,090 --> 00:29:54,720 it did say I do remember you're saying 735 00:29:59,659 --> 00:29:56,100 quite though because he was summer grips 736 00:30:01,519 --> 00:29:59,669 onto as helped towards explaining to 737 00:30:03,169 --> 00:30:01,529 others and it did say that over those 738 00:30:05,299 --> 00:30:03,179 distances if there was no curvature of 739 00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:05,309 the earth superior mirages wouldn't 740 00:30:11,749 --> 00:30:08,149 happen over those distances refraction 741 00:30:14,239 --> 00:30:11,759 fair dues but the sufi mirage element 742 00:30:16,850 --> 00:30:14,249 ordinary slow yeah you can get superior 743 00:30:20,509 --> 00:30:16,860 mirages in a glass with a straw well you 744 00:30:22,999 --> 00:30:20,519 can get refraction swimming and it's 745 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:23,009 interesting you talk about like them 746 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:25,529 them saying like superior mirages or 747 00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:26,970 inverted height what is it where did 748 00:30:30,889 --> 00:30:29,340 they get that idea from yes I'm gonna do 749 00:30:33,230 --> 00:30:30,899 a real time fat check here I'm gonna 750 00:30:34,869 --> 00:30:33,240 look up superior mirages in Wikipedia 751 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:34,879 and see what it says 752 00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:38,970 sound effect of typing actually typing 753 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:42,419 all right superior Mirage so it says 754 00:30:46,609 --> 00:30:45,090 here that superior Mirage occurs when 755 00:30:48,950 --> 00:30:46,619 the air below the line of sight is 756 00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,960 colder than the air above it the light 757 00:30:54,049 --> 00:30:51,360 rays are bent down so the image appears 758 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:54,059 of both the true object hence the name 759 00:30:59,330 --> 00:30:57,330 superior so superior Mirage 760 00:31:00,950 --> 00:30:59,340 this there's nothing implicit in a 761 00:31:01,900 --> 00:31:00,960 superior Mirage that says he has to be 762 00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:01,910 inverted 763 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:05,240 sir no absolutely yeah anybody is like 764 00:31:09,340 --> 00:31:07,610 giving their argument it's like you ask 765 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:09,350 them where where do you get that idea 766 00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,690 from where why do you think that because 767 00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:13,760 it has to be inverted while he's doing 768 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:14,840 it 769 00:31:20,130 --> 00:31:17,210 yeah a lot of time when they do make 770 00:31:23,530 --> 00:31:20,140 that claim are showing videos of 771 00:31:26,860 --> 00:31:23,540 superior Chicago completely inverted 772 00:31:28,750 --> 00:31:26,870 there is a video on youtube of somebody 773 00:31:30,550 --> 00:31:28,760 taking it over the Volga Lake Michigan 774 00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:30,560 and it is just completely upside-down 775 00:31:34,990 --> 00:31:33,350 sits it's early early dusk or something 776 00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:35,000 like that and it's you know the 777 00:31:39,670 --> 00:31:36,110 weather's all over the place so it's 778 00:31:41,290 --> 00:31:39,680 it's completely inverted a lot of time 779 00:31:42,790 --> 00:31:41,300 I'll kind of bait him in a bit I'll show 780 00:31:45,330 --> 00:31:42,800 him a photo of it wait for them to say 781 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:45,340 it's fake then give him the video of it 782 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:47,930 but a lot of time I'll just say some say 783 00:31:51,370 --> 00:31:49,490 look if you do have questions feel free 784 00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:51,380 or inbox me if you want to avoid all the 785 00:31:55,150 --> 00:31:53,990 ego that there is on Facebook because 786 00:31:57,940 --> 00:31:55,160 you try having a conversation with 787 00:31:59,710 --> 00:31:57,950 sometimes someone will be happily 788 00:32:01,570 --> 00:31:59,720 talking's here well then you'll get 789 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:01,580 other people I mean don't get me wrong 790 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:03,290 there's enough abuse from both sides on 791 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:04,600 Facebook I'm not saying it's more 792 00:32:10,180 --> 00:32:07,370 fighters than Global's I'm not saying 793 00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,190 it's more global than flowers there is 794 00:32:15,340 --> 00:32:12,320 an equal amount of abuse given so which 795 00:32:16,180 --> 00:32:15,350 is why I stay polite and respectful as 796 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:16,190 much as I come 797 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:18,710 yeah that's great another reason for 798 00:32:23,710 --> 00:32:20,570 that is because I find the flutter this' 799 00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:23,720 look for excuses so leave the debate so 800 00:32:26,170 --> 00:32:25,550 I try and give them as as few of them as 801 00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:26,180 possible 802 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:29,540 yeah well yeah I stick to the lunar 803 00:32:33,370 --> 00:32:31,970 eclipse I'll stick to Chicago but the 804 00:32:36,010 --> 00:32:33,380 one thing I'll be sticking to lately is 805 00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:36,020 the horizon itself because a fire earth 806 00:32:40,690 --> 00:32:38,150 wouldn't have one so I explained to him 807 00:32:43,300 --> 00:32:40,700 why the question I ask is why does this 808 00:32:46,390 --> 00:32:43,310 why does a flat earth have a horizon so 809 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:46,400 close so we can see around about 12 810 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:48,770 miles before the atmosphere becomes an 811 00:32:53,290 --> 00:32:51,650 issue because obviously if you ask him 812 00:32:53,860 --> 00:32:53,300 why can't see the Eiffel Tower from New 813 00:32:55,300 --> 00:32:53,870 York 814 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:55,310 we'll say because you can't see forever 815 00:32:59,170 --> 00:32:57,290 through the atmosphere which is correct 816 00:33:01,660 --> 00:32:59,180 it's around about 12 miles and then 817 00:33:03,460 --> 00:33:01,670 everything starts becoming upskilled and 818 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:03,470 what the horizon 819 00:33:07,180 --> 00:33:05,930 you know there's millions of sources 820 00:33:12,490 --> 00:33:07,190 showing their it's around about three 821 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:12,500 miles from the average eye hi yeah so I 822 00:33:18,260 --> 00:33:15,210 just asked so what is the horizon 823 00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:18,270 on a flat earth what is the horizon how 824 00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:20,700 do you explain a horizon especially one 825 00:33:25,550 --> 00:33:23,610 so close so you get the usual answers 826 00:33:26,900 --> 00:33:25,560 well it's just the viewing distance it's 827 00:33:28,940 --> 00:33:26,910 like well this niqab the viewing 828 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:28,950 distance because you can see that we see 829 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:31,050 around 12 miles and I'll give them links 830 00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,480 because there are scientific websites 831 00:33:38,110 --> 00:33:36,000 that also explain this so whether they 832 00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:38,120 believe it or not there's the evidence 833 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:41,220 find flaws in the evidence if you find 834 00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,690 flaws and the other tuners come back to 835 00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,880 me because a lot of them don't do that 836 00:33:49,490 --> 00:33:46,320 a lot of them just say well you're wrong 837 00:33:51,830 --> 00:33:49,500 because of this it's not well okay well 838 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:51,840 what you're giving me is your example 839 00:33:59,000 --> 00:33:55,050 has been answered by science and has not 840 00:34:00,800 --> 00:33:59,010 been addressed so it's just all I try 841 00:34:03,140 --> 00:34:00,810 and do more than anything is just get 842 00:34:07,010 --> 00:34:03,150 people to cross examine what they're 843 00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:07,020 here whether it's from either side so so 844 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:09,780 when you when you were in the flat earth 845 00:34:16,340 --> 00:34:12,060 like a questioning mode like originally 846 00:34:17,780 --> 00:34:16,350 if someone had asked you how do you 847 00:34:18,980 --> 00:34:17,790 explain the horizon what do you think 848 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:18,990 you would have said to them back then 849 00:34:24,740 --> 00:34:23,330 and another claim to be fed probably go 850 00:34:28,820 --> 00:34:24,750 what I'd have done 851 00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:28,830 typed into YouTube Flat Earth 852 00:34:35,090 --> 00:34:31,500 what is the horizon Flat Earth horizon 853 00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:35,100 because when you when you're that side 854 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:37,350 of the argument that's how you research 855 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:39,690 you find the answers that Flat Earth is 856 00:34:43,390 --> 00:34:41,970 good because you feel that everything 857 00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:43,400 else is a lie 858 00:34:47,900 --> 00:34:46,320 Saurus it's not about finding faults in 859 00:34:50,510 --> 00:34:47,910 the answers it's about finding the 860 00:34:52,100 --> 00:34:50,520 answers that work I'm going to try it 861 00:34:54,110 --> 00:34:52,110 right now I'm going to type in flutter 862 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:54,120 horizon because there YouTube changed 863 00:34:59,540 --> 00:34:56,010 recently like you don't get as many 864 00:35:03,700 --> 00:34:59,550 results when you type in a flat earth 865 00:35:08,410 --> 00:35:03,710 stuff so I need a flat earth yeah 866 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:08,420 horizon see if we get any results now 867 00:35:15,350 --> 00:35:10,290 you know we're getting a bunch of 868 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:15,360 debunking stuff here so it's I guess I 869 00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:16,770 mean you would have got out of the whole 870 00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,020 flutter thing before they changed 871 00:35:24,170 --> 00:35:21,960 YouTube so what when you when you were a 872 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:24,180 fighter believer or someone who was you 873 00:35:27,830 --> 00:35:25,410 know thought that the problems with a 874 00:35:28,850 --> 00:35:27,840 globe model you were like going into 875 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:28,860 YouTube 876 00:35:32,330 --> 00:35:30,450 and you just find an answer like 877 00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:32,340 straightaway to whatever the question 878 00:35:35,240 --> 00:35:33,630 was and then you bear to say look at 879 00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:35,250 this like you know there's a the horizon 880 00:35:40,940 --> 00:35:37,890 is due to like perspective or it's due 881 00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:40,950 to you know things being too small and 882 00:35:44,510 --> 00:35:42,480 things like that and things get smaller 883 00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:44,520 at the bottom more than they get smaller 884 00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:47,430 at the top so yes I mean the amount size 885 00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:51,510 of it the SAO its perspective it's not 886 00:35:55,870 --> 00:35:53,760 all perspectives just a word the only 887 00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:55,880 perspective involved is the viewing hi 888 00:35:59,810 --> 00:35:57,960 you know that's that's the perspective 889 00:36:02,360 --> 00:35:59,820 involved in that example the viewing 890 00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,370 height is you know the average eye high 891 00:36:05,870 --> 00:36:04,200 so there's your perspective and they'll 892 00:36:07,790 --> 00:36:05,880 say well it's convergence what public 893 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:07,800 clamor convergence because if the 894 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:09,290 horizon was due to convergence 895 00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:11,850 everything would disappear to a point on 896 00:36:16,820 --> 00:36:14,400 the horizon because everything converges 897 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:16,830 to that point but it's not because you 898 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:19,410 see ships going down another point I 899 00:36:23,060 --> 00:36:21,570 will say when sorry speaking to another 900 00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:23,070 guy they say well you look through a 901 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:25,560 telescope and you can bring it back over 902 00:36:30,110 --> 00:36:28,740 the horizon so you what I'll do a lot of 903 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:30,120 times I'll go with that I'll say well 904 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:31,650 okay how about when you're looking 905 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:33,510 through your telescope and then it goes 906 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:36,690 below the horizon and then they've got 907 00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:38,970 no answer mm-hmm it's like all the 908 00:36:43,490 --> 00:36:40,920 telescope does is it magnifies an image 909 00:36:45,530 --> 00:36:43,500 it doesn't it's not a magical telescope 910 00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:45,540 that bends around corners it just 911 00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:47,760 magnifies an image so it makes what you 912 00:36:52,310 --> 00:36:50,880 can see larger but why you was 913 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:52,320 explaining this is a guy you still see 914 00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:57,450 half the ball missing so it's it half 915 00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:00,000 the time that disproven themselves just 916 00:37:06,500 --> 00:37:04,020 be a lack of a lack of research it's not 917 00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:06,510 that complicated really to look into 918 00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:07,860 things like that you think that they 919 00:37:12,980 --> 00:37:09,810 would you actually check these things 920 00:37:15,860 --> 00:37:12,990 out but you still get the same arguments 921 00:37:17,870 --> 00:37:15,870 year after year I why it's why can't we 922 00:37:20,270 --> 00:37:17,880 like just have like one good debunk or 923 00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:20,280 something explaining it and happier yeah 924 00:37:26,090 --> 00:37:23,250 and people can look that up I believe 925 00:37:28,730 --> 00:37:26,100 that it's mainly down to why I used to 926 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:28,740 think was the definition of cognitive 927 00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:32,330 dissonance now where there's actually 928 00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:34,620 confirmation bias it's the correct term 929 00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:37,740 for it they dismissed evidence that goes 930 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:41,370 against their beliefs just the like you 931 00:37:45,250 --> 00:37:42,770 hear a lot of time 932 00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:45,260 because back to freemasons whenever you 933 00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:46,610 get to a point where they've got no 934 00:37:50,650 --> 00:37:48,050 answers left well 935 00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:50,660 Pythagoras was a freemason it gets the 936 00:37:54,580 --> 00:37:52,280 point where you they leave you with no 937 00:37:56,290 --> 00:37:54,590 comeback is that well I don't care 938 00:37:58,750 --> 00:37:56,300 whether he was an eight-legged unicorn 939 00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:58,760 who lived in the sea it's his evidence 940 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:01,520 that Mars it doesn't matter who's giving 941 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:03,050 it it's not like you going off 942 00:38:10,690 --> 00:38:04,970 Pythagoras's word when you you need 943 00:38:12,370 --> 00:38:10,700 figuring out whether a triangle like it 944 00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:12,380 actually does these things you can check 945 00:38:17,650 --> 00:38:14,750 that for yourself it's not when they go 946 00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:17,660 on about NASA if they do about NASA and 947 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:20,090 gravity a hell of a lot and I say to him 948 00:38:24,940 --> 00:38:22,610 say look humans have known the airship 949 00:38:27,490 --> 00:38:24,950 globe for around 2,500 years that's 950 00:38:30,910 --> 00:38:27,500 around 2400 years before NASA was even 951 00:38:32,740 --> 00:38:30,920 created NASA completely irrelevant you 952 00:38:34,990 --> 00:38:32,750 wondered you were gonna disbelieve 953 00:38:36,610 --> 00:38:35,000 everything NASA say find it fair enough 954 00:38:38,620 --> 00:38:36,620 so don't bring them into the argument 955 00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:38,630 don't try and use proving them as fake 956 00:38:43,810 --> 00:38:40,810 as proving the earth is flat 957 00:38:45,340 --> 00:38:43,820 because you could if you somehow managed 958 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:45,350 to disprove everything NASA have ever 959 00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:47,810 done the evidence of the globe is still 960 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:49,580 going to be there waiting for you even 961 00:38:53,830 --> 00:38:51,170 if you somehow managed to completely 962 00:38:55,540 --> 00:38:53,840 discredit gravity the evidence which 963 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:55,550 proves the globe will still be a 964 00:38:58,930 --> 00:38:57,290 weighing for you it's just a lot of 965 00:39:01,660 --> 00:38:58,940 around the houses for him you've got to 966 00:39:03,580 --> 00:39:01,670 draw them away from it's just trying to 967 00:39:05,590 --> 00:39:03,590 get a flat earther to follow that lead 968 00:39:07,870 --> 00:39:05,600 and gold down there and naturally 969 00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:07,880 cross-examine what they're Saints here 970 00:39:11,020 --> 00:39:09,440 because they bother to convince 971 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:11,030 themselves that that's that's correct 972 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:13,130 and true sois 973 00:39:18,340 --> 00:39:15,830 is an almost impossible mountain to 974 00:39:20,620 --> 00:39:18,350 climb to get him to cross examine what 975 00:39:23,140 --> 00:39:20,630 they're using as proof it is it's very 976 00:39:24,910 --> 00:39:23,150 difficult and I think it's great that 977 00:39:28,270 --> 00:39:24,920 you actually go out there and do it 978 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:28,280 I but what why are you doing it why are 979 00:39:35,410 --> 00:39:30,970 you actually engaging Flat Earth people 980 00:39:37,300 --> 00:39:35,420 what your last five guy said was exactly 981 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:37,310 the same the one one credit will give 982 00:39:41,710 --> 00:39:39,170 him was he said he's learned a hell of a 983 00:39:44,710 --> 00:39:41,720 lot about physics and science looking 984 00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,720 into it and I'm exactly the same at the 985 00:39:48,940 --> 00:39:46,400 amount of science I've learned through 986 00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:48,950 debate in Flat Earth has been immense 987 00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:52,160 far more than I've learned in the 988 00:39:56,380 --> 00:39:54,110 previous god knows how many years in my 989 00:39:59,380 --> 00:39:56,390 life it's 990 00:40:02,109 --> 00:39:59,390 is this he's like um it's like mental 991 00:40:04,269 --> 00:40:02,119 exercise right yeah yeah I I asked for 992 00:40:06,009 --> 00:40:04,279 no give me some evidence and just see 993 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:06,019 what they come up with next and okay 994 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:07,970 well is the answer to that how'd you 995 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:10,249 how'd you challenge that and you get 996 00:40:13,299 --> 00:40:12,170 past all the abuse and stuff cuz I love 997 00:40:14,890 --> 00:40:13,309 and I'll give you a lot of abuse but 998 00:40:16,690 --> 00:40:14,900 then they'll be quite nice afterwards 999 00:40:18,940 --> 00:40:16,700 because they realize you're just not one 1000 00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,950 of those who's gonna or you know you 1001 00:40:22,450 --> 00:40:21,200 know either flat head and all the rest 1002 00:40:24,220 --> 00:40:22,460 and whatever they want to Karl I mean 1003 00:40:25,989 --> 00:40:24,230 it's just once you get down to a 1004 00:40:27,999 --> 00:40:25,999 sensible conversation there are some 1005 00:40:31,029 --> 00:40:28,009 really nice and respectful people there 1006 00:40:33,970 --> 00:40:31,039 that just seem a bit misguided and in 1007 00:40:35,529 --> 00:40:33,980 some affair purposely manipulated by 1008 00:40:36,999 --> 00:40:35,539 these videos I'm obviously a lot of 1009 00:40:38,620 --> 00:40:37,009 these youtubers that in if it clicks 1010 00:40:40,509 --> 00:40:38,630 they making money off the YouTube videos 1011 00:40:42,609 --> 00:40:40,519 so of course they're going to keep the 1012 00:40:46,829 --> 00:40:42,619 answers coming and course they're going 1013 00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:46,839 to keep giving their evidence that works 1014 00:40:51,309 --> 00:40:49,400 because the game looks like Nathan 1015 00:40:53,049 --> 00:40:51,319 Thompson for instance he's probably 1016 00:40:54,999 --> 00:40:53,059 earning a hell of a lot of money Eric to 1017 00:40:56,710 --> 00:40:55,009 buy whether he's still relevant I don't 1018 00:40:58,630 --> 00:40:56,720 know he's published still earning a lot 1019 00:41:01,029 --> 00:40:58,640 of money off his videos I still see 1020 00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,039 people calling that 200 proofs birth is 1021 00:41:04,900 --> 00:41:02,960 not a goal you know I think years ago I 1022 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:04,910 did a full write-up on that I mean to be 1023 00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:06,170 fair after them are probably wrong 1024 00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:10,880 because of where I was at with the 1025 00:41:15,910 --> 00:41:13,660 scientific knowledge at the time yeah 1026 00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:15,920 yeah the tune of proofs that mean that 1027 00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:18,319 goes back to like the original flat 1028 00:41:23,259 --> 00:41:20,930 earther popularised was his name Samuel 1029 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:23,269 Rowbotham because he like yeah Eric 1030 00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,650 Dubay you know he's like the modern-day 1031 00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:26,960 equivalent and Samuel Rowbotham did make 1032 00:41:31,269 --> 00:41:29,599 a living from from flatter I don't know 1033 00:41:33,069 --> 00:41:31,279 if the might if the modern people do 1034 00:41:36,789 --> 00:41:33,079 especially now that YouTube's kind of 1035 00:41:39,130 --> 00:41:36,799 cut off the the spigot of of clicks yeah 1036 00:41:40,870 --> 00:41:39,140 I mean that's probably why you see them 1037 00:41:42,579 --> 00:41:40,880 do it if it's like Nathan Thompson was 1038 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:42,589 arrested yeah a couple of days ago was 1039 00:41:49,180 --> 00:41:45,130 he for school but he's getting publicity 1040 00:41:51,970 --> 00:41:49,190 yes he was outside schools give him 1041 00:41:54,670 --> 00:41:51,980 leaflets to kids he he goes resting hmmm 1042 00:41:56,380 --> 00:41:54,680 yeah he was it was shouting my research 1043 00:41:57,940 --> 00:41:56,390 flat earth to like you know that 1044 00:41:59,559 --> 00:41:57,950 ten-year-old school kids or something 1045 00:42:02,470 --> 00:41:59,569 and they called the police and had him 1046 00:42:03,549 --> 00:42:02,480 arrested I mean quite rightly so I mean 1047 00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:03,559 there is that about 1048 00:42:06,700 --> 00:42:05,390 whether he believes it fully or not 1049 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:06,710 there's better ways to go about it 1050 00:42:13,290 --> 00:42:09,970 harassing school kids yeah 1051 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:13,300 yeah this it's like him and some other 1052 00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:15,730 guy Canterbury's name what they've done 1053 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:18,340 I think it's got angel in his name 1054 00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:22,330 somewhere they've piled like a thousand 1055 00:42:28,260 --> 00:42:25,990 dollar challenge for anyone who can show 1056 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:28,270 evidence of water sticking to a spinning 1057 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:33,310 bowl dummies thing saying well you find 1058 00:42:38,250 --> 00:42:34,930 me a place that is unaffected by the 1059 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:38,260 Earth's gravity and I'll show you you 1060 00:42:41,370 --> 00:42:40,090 know these videos of the astronauts in 1061 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:41,380 space putting water on a washcloth 1062 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:43,930 wringing it out and the water conforms 1063 00:42:48,660 --> 00:42:46,450 to the exterior of the object you know 1064 00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:48,670 you can't do it while both the ball and 1065 00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:50,890 the water are affected by the Earth's 1066 00:42:56,359 --> 00:42:53,080 gravity now I find it hard to believe 1067 00:42:59,940 --> 00:42:56,369 they're not aware of this yeah is just 1068 00:43:01,770 --> 00:42:59,950 manipulation yeah I think I think to a 1069 00:43:04,109 --> 00:43:01,780 large degree like yet people have been 1070 00:43:08,450 --> 00:43:04,119 doing it a long time they've heard all 1071 00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:08,460 of the objections and they basically 1072 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:11,680 ignoring them and so that they know what 1073 00:43:16,770 --> 00:43:13,690 you're gonna say when you you you know 1074 00:43:18,450 --> 00:43:16,780 if if you say if they say like well why 1075 00:43:20,460 --> 00:43:18,460 doesn't the atmosphere fly off into 1076 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:20,470 space and you can't have like you know 1077 00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:23,410 grab a vacuum on one side without 1078 00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:25,359 without a container and then you say 1079 00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:27,310 it's because there's a pressure gradient 1080 00:43:31,980 --> 00:43:30,070 going from air pressure at the bottom to 1081 00:43:33,329 --> 00:43:31,990 vacuum in the space and as you go up and 1082 00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:33,339 mount in the air pressure gets less and 1083 00:43:38,010 --> 00:43:35,920 why is that then they know you're gonna 1084 00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:38,020 give that argument because I've heard it 1085 00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:40,570 before and they'll just cite is it 1086 00:43:46,290 --> 00:43:42,750 because they can't touch the addresses 1087 00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:46,300 exactly so it all I'll say cuz obviously 1088 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:48,700 if you start speaking in those terms to 1089 00:43:51,930 --> 00:43:50,410 a flat earther then all of a sudden D 1090 00:43:53,970 --> 00:43:51,940 they don't understand science at all 1091 00:43:56,130 --> 00:43:53,980 you're talking nonsense that's all or 1092 00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,140 what the Freemason said years ago and 1093 00:43:58,890 --> 00:43:58,240 you just taken in that's kind of their 1094 00:44:00,750 --> 00:43:58,900 response 1095 00:44:02,460 --> 00:44:00,760 so what I'll say is you're under the 1096 00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,470 impression that the vacuum of space is 1097 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:04,720 somehow sucking yeah and it's not 1098 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:06,970 there's no suction to the vacuum of 1099 00:44:10,859 --> 00:44:08,250 space 1100 00:44:12,660 --> 00:44:10,869 we don't know long I'm I'm no scientist 1101 00:44:14,190 --> 00:44:12,670 I'm not very scientific I don't 1102 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:14,200 understand the ins and outs of space 1103 00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:16,570 that the vacuum is but if somebody asked 1104 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:20,770 me how does the atmosphere not get 1105 00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:22,530 sucked off into space I wouldn't be able 1106 00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,570 to give them a scientific answer most 1107 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:27,000 people know us nobody would even like 1108 00:44:31,310 --> 00:44:29,010 lots of scientists because they don't 1109 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:31,320 think about it it's not like a problem 1110 00:44:35,830 --> 00:44:33,810 that they need to address so you could 1111 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:35,840 you go to like everybody in the street 1112 00:44:39,980 --> 00:44:38,250 you can ask a hundred people and you 1113 00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:39,990 probably wouldn't get the answer from a 1114 00:44:44,330 --> 00:44:41,400 hundred people who are strange but it's 1115 00:44:48,410 --> 00:44:44,340 not something people think about so a 1116 00:44:51,140 --> 00:44:48,420 lot of the time there are people in the 1117 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:51,150 Flat Earth groups on the globe side that 1118 00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:52,770 do fully explain these things I mean 1119 00:44:57,020 --> 00:44:54,150 whether they're just copy and pasting 1120 00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:57,030 from websites I don't know I'm gonna 1121 00:45:02,330 --> 00:44:59,940 just teaches you now whether these and 1122 00:45:04,190 --> 00:45:02,340 if the fly earth is that I call fake 1123 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:04,200 Flat Earth is the ultra Star gyu for 1124 00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:06,330 argument's sake no matter what you tell 1125 00:45:10,850 --> 00:45:08,700 them if they're taking on board the 1126 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:10,860 answers that they're being given whether 1127 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:13,530 that it making it or not and hey people 1128 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:15,450 are learning science you know and when 1129 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:17,370 they know because obviously the majority 1130 00:45:21,170 --> 00:45:18,930 of people who stop being flat earthers 1131 00:45:23,390 --> 00:45:21,180 just stop being flat earthers dancer and 1132 00:45:25,310 --> 00:45:23,400 I'm saying okay now I know I'm wrong 1133 00:45:28,970 --> 00:45:25,320 does not see it making you wrong isn't 1134 00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:28,980 the most enjoyable thing to do in a flat 1135 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:32,040 earth group on Facebook because you just 1136 00:45:36,980 --> 00:45:35,370 get jumps on bag both sides then so a 1137 00:45:39,140 --> 00:45:36,990 lot of them just back out and don't 1138 00:45:40,460 --> 00:45:39,150 bother with anymore but for me it was a 1139 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:40,470 matter if if if I'd have had somebody 1140 00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:44,610 like me if I'd have listened support 1141 00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,050 about if I had to listen to somebody 1142 00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:48,540 like me when I was on that side I'd 1143 00:45:53,380 --> 00:45:49,740 probably come out of it a lot quicker 1144 00:45:56,090 --> 00:45:53,390 and probably a lot smarter as well yeah 1145 00:45:58,220 --> 00:45:56,100 just like say there are answers they 1146 00:46:00,140 --> 00:45:58,230 just not being addressed and yes that's 1147 00:46:02,300 --> 00:46:00,150 the main problem is that the main 1148 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:02,310 problem with Flat Earth there's these 1149 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:03,930 little interesting stuff as well I think 1150 00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:05,730 that's something you can do is they try 1151 00:46:10,970 --> 00:46:09,000 to you know show them how interesting 1152 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:10,980 the actual physics is I'm trying to 1153 00:46:14,150 --> 00:46:11,970 teach some stuff about it being 1154 00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:14,160 interesting like without them fighting 1155 00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:17,640 back do you how much how much success of 1156 00:46:21,110 --> 00:46:19,020 your head have you had people that have 1157 00:46:23,780 --> 00:46:21,120 actually like you know got out of it 1158 00:46:28,130 --> 00:46:23,790 because of what you've said to them I've 1159 00:46:30,620 --> 00:46:28,140 only had two messages um I PM's on 1160 00:46:34,030 --> 00:46:30,630 Facebook has someone to say look thanks 1161 00:46:36,049 --> 00:46:34,040 a lot you vote me as a but then 1162 00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:36,059 sometimes you could spot the one 1163 00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:37,680 they're actually asking questions and 1164 00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:40,319 they're actually just curious and not 1165 00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:44,160 just on the offensive so I enjoy 1166 00:46:47,660 --> 00:46:45,839 speaking to them and I'll say you know 1167 00:46:49,759 --> 00:46:47,670 I'll invite them to inbox me because 1168 00:46:51,410 --> 00:46:49,769 I'll be having a nice conversation with 1169 00:46:53,859 --> 00:46:51,420 someone and then another global or come 1170 00:46:56,209 --> 00:46:53,869 in and start giving them a load of crap 1171 00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:56,219 it's unnecessary you can do it in a 1172 00:47:00,079 --> 00:46:58,140 better way you know it can be done in a 1173 00:47:02,959 --> 00:47:00,089 better way just be respectful and if 1174 00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:02,969 they take it on board let's just don't 1175 00:47:07,819 --> 00:47:06,209 give them any reason to run off they'd 1176 00:47:10,279 --> 00:47:07,829 like a dam in a headlight you've got to 1177 00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:10,289 be you've gotta be careful how you 1178 00:47:13,339 --> 00:47:12,209 approach them you don't want to scare 1179 00:47:15,499 --> 00:47:13,349 them off and just leave them to the old 1180 00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:15,509 well you just being brainwashed and you 1181 00:47:19,249 --> 00:47:17,430 being indoctrinated I think I think fly 1182 00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:19,259 earth is accusing us of being 1183 00:47:24,439 --> 00:47:21,180 indoctrinated is the most hypocritical 1184 00:47:26,959 --> 00:47:24,449 thing in Flat Earth because they're 1185 00:47:30,890 --> 00:47:26,969 getting their evidence from YouTube 1186 00:47:31,969 --> 00:47:30,900 which is offering no evidence it's like 1187 00:47:34,910 --> 00:47:31,979 what what's the evidence well the 1188 00:47:35,959 --> 00:47:34,920 horizons flat of course is you know what 1189 00:47:39,170 --> 00:47:35,969 are you expecting you're thinking that 1190 00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:39,180 as you turn it's gonna go down what 1191 00:47:41,749 --> 00:47:40,140 happens if you turn all the way around 1192 00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:41,759 are you gonna be upset you know 1193 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:43,529 obviously like I tell them it's like 1194 00:47:48,529 --> 00:47:46,170 second a pump the panoramic photo it's 1195 00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:48,539 gonna be flour all around that is what 1196 00:47:52,689 --> 00:47:50,819 should be expected yeah that's not 1197 00:47:55,219 --> 00:47:52,699 another one of those ratios of things 1198 00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,229 it's hard to figure out but but you can 1199 00:47:58,880 --> 00:47:57,119 also if you get if you get higher up you 1200 00:48:00,679 --> 00:47:58,890 can take a photo of the horizon it is 1201 00:48:02,839 --> 00:48:00,689 curved and then they say like well why 1202 00:48:04,939 --> 00:48:02,849 didn't you keep curving so it's it's 1203 00:48:07,939 --> 00:48:04,949 kind of a confusing thing to think about 1204 00:48:10,669 --> 00:48:07,949 and it's easy to just see yeah dismiss 1205 00:48:15,229 --> 00:48:10,679 it fall sort of curvature they won't 1206 00:48:17,509 --> 00:48:15,239 accept because obviously on a on a 1207 00:48:18,049 --> 00:48:17,519 passenger plane you know on a commercial 1208 00:48:20,660 --> 00:48:18,059 flight 1209 00:48:23,059 --> 00:48:20,670 you don't really get high enough to see 1210 00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:23,069 curvature out of your small window you 1211 00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,599 may be the pilot because he's got like a 1212 00:48:28,009 --> 00:48:26,160 180 view 1213 00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:28,019 he'll be able to detect a slight 1214 00:48:33,109 --> 00:48:29,579 curvature at like thirty thirty five 1215 00:48:35,539 --> 00:48:33,119 thousand but then you've got the u-2 spy 1216 00:48:37,459 --> 00:48:35,549 planes that got videos about seventy 1217 00:48:40,009 --> 00:48:37,469 thousand which show play and curvature 1218 00:48:42,199 --> 00:48:40,019 you take us still of it and the wing is 1219 00:48:44,329 --> 00:48:42,209 in the picture and the wing is 1220 00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:44,339 completely unaffected by any fisheye 1221 00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:44,910 lens 1222 00:48:52,020 --> 00:48:49,510 plane then 1223 00:48:54,690 --> 00:48:52,030 the far the curvature of the earth to be 1224 00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:54,700 caused by the fisheye lens would cause 1225 00:48:59,370 --> 00:48:57,190 the wing of the plane to arsal also be 1226 00:49:02,010 --> 00:48:59,380 very distorted you look at the redbull 1227 00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:02,020 Djem I mean that's clearly very very 1228 00:49:06,510 --> 00:49:04,270 fisheye because all the captial they 1229 00:49:08,339 --> 00:49:06,520 jumped are all the straight lines of any 1230 00:49:11,099 --> 00:49:08,349 curves yeah and obviously the Earth's 1231 00:49:12,660 --> 00:49:11,109 extra curve so it's not something I'd 1232 00:49:15,450 --> 00:49:12,670 use as evidence myself because it's a 1233 00:49:16,349 --> 00:49:15,460 clear fisheye lens and they want to take 1234 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:16,359 it but even if you put it through 1235 00:49:20,430 --> 00:49:18,970 correction they'd still be curved it is 1236 00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:20,440 I did actually do that because they had 1237 00:49:25,710 --> 00:49:23,400 some of the raw images of that jump 1238 00:49:26,970 --> 00:49:25,720 where he jumped from the capture like it 1239 00:49:29,910 --> 00:49:26,980 was like a hundred thousand feet or 1240 00:49:31,859 --> 00:49:29,920 something like that and it had the lens 1241 00:49:33,690 --> 00:49:31,869 profile embedded in it so I could get 1242 00:49:35,849 --> 00:49:33,700 put into Photoshop and do the actual 1243 00:49:38,670 --> 00:49:35,859 correction for him it comes out and you 1244 00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:38,680 can see see the actual curve because you 1245 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:39,970 know what's gonna accept that because 1246 00:49:43,500 --> 00:49:41,770 they'll think it's just you know meet me 1247 00:49:45,930 --> 00:49:43,510 faking it or whatever or it's the 1248 00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:45,940 Photoshop faking it but did you know 1249 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:47,470 that you can actually see the curve from 1250 00:49:52,319 --> 00:49:49,690 like about a thousand feet like five 1251 00:49:54,780 --> 00:49:52,329 hundred to a thousand feet if you take a 1252 00:49:56,550 --> 00:49:54,790 photograph of the horizon from my 1253 00:50:00,120 --> 00:49:56,560 standing up on a cliff at about a 1254 00:50:02,339 --> 00:50:00,130 thousand feet it looks very flat because 1255 00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:02,349 you know you're very low down so there's 1256 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:04,450 hardly any curve visible but if you take 1257 00:50:09,180 --> 00:50:06,490 the photo and you're squeezing the sides 1258 00:50:11,220 --> 00:50:09,190 and kind of pull out the the top you can 1259 00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:11,230 actually magnify the curve enough so you 1260 00:50:16,260 --> 00:50:14,650 can actually see it and then you can go 1261 00:50:19,140 --> 00:50:16,270 out and like take an actual straight 1262 00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:19,150 edge like an actual like a like a spirit 1263 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:20,500 level or something like a carpenter's 1264 00:50:24,329 --> 00:50:22,569 level and put that just under the 1265 00:50:26,940 --> 00:50:24,339 horizon or just above the horizon or 1266 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:26,950 preferably both and take that photograph 1267 00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:29,650 and then you compress it and stretch it 1268 00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:32,079 and you will actually see the actual 1269 00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:42,000 obviously you start and if you start 1270 00:50:45,569 --> 00:50:43,569 messing with Falls you know obviously 1271 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:45,579 the instant instant reaction your gaze 1272 00:50:49,770 --> 00:50:47,890 while you're messing you know you doctor 1273 00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:49,780 gonna fall so it's a very simple thing 1274 00:50:53,420 --> 00:50:51,250 though it's just stretching it 1275 00:50:56,609 --> 00:50:53,430 vertically and I understand the logic 1276 00:50:58,079 --> 00:50:56,619 yes and that will argue they will say oh 1277 00:51:01,380 --> 00:50:58,089 yeah you're stretching it so you're 1278 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:01,390 making the curve but you can I 1279 00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:03,010 I mean you can actually show them that 1280 00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:04,510 if you start out with an actual straight 1281 00:51:08,370 --> 00:51:06,730 line and you stretch that straight line 1282 00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:08,380 it just becomes a thicker line it 1283 00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:10,510 doesn't become a curved line you have to 1284 00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:11,590 actually have something that's very 1285 00:51:18,030 --> 00:51:16,000 slightly curved in order to to make you 1286 00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:18,040 know the curve be magnified and this is 1287 00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:19,060 something that's one of those things 1288 00:51:23,370 --> 00:51:20,890 that they're either going to have to 1289 00:51:25,500 --> 00:51:23,380 ignore or they've actually going to 1290 00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:25,510 actually going to have to address it no 1291 00:51:29,250 --> 00:51:28,150 absolutely I mean I always try and do is 1292 00:51:32,220 --> 00:51:29,260 play by their rules 1293 00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:32,230 yeah I'll never try and just say well 1294 00:51:38,130 --> 00:51:34,030 the air is a follow from NASA he has to 1295 00:51:39,930 --> 00:51:38,140 go right yeah yeah yeah it's not CGI 1296 00:51:42,390 --> 00:51:39,940 yeah pretty much head before you take 1297 00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:42,400 nowadays a CGI because every camera 1298 00:51:47,580 --> 00:51:44,740 takes you three three shots issue in red 1299 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:47,590 green and you red green blue whether it 1300 00:51:51,450 --> 00:51:49,570 is and the Khmer come into one picture 1301 00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:51,460 so does that mean that every fault 1302 00:51:56,970 --> 00:51:54,510 always faked it doesn't you know it's um 1303 00:51:58,830 --> 00:51:56,980 it's just a very dishonest way of going 1304 00:52:00,900 --> 00:51:58,840 about it they know that what the sayings 1305 00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:00,910 wrong what they have to cling to it 1306 00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:02,710 because there's no other reason to 1307 00:52:07,350 --> 00:52:04,870 dismiss the photos of Earth that prove 1308 00:52:08,970 --> 00:52:07,360 the globe so I just don't really 1309 00:52:10,830 --> 00:52:08,980 entertain if they bring up NASA Lyle 1310 00:52:13,170 --> 00:52:10,840 saying that's all irrelevant yeah yeah 1311 00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:13,180 try gonna focus on some real evidence so 1312 00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:15,190 like I've been asked you hey you're 1313 00:52:19,290 --> 00:52:17,950 talking earlier about you know you take 1314 00:52:20,970 --> 00:52:19,300 people out of Facebook and you try to 1315 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:20,980 talk on one-on-one and be polite to them 1316 00:52:24,090 --> 00:52:21,850 uh stuff like that 1317 00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:24,100 what do you think about the the Flat 1318 00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:27,220 Earth debunkers who basically just go on 1319 00:52:31,020 --> 00:52:28,960 and call people stupid like I'm thinking 1320 00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:31,030 particularly of like the guy flight the 1321 00:52:38,270 --> 00:52:34,390 fat flight the fat earth-like the fights 1322 00:52:40,140 --> 00:52:38,280 the Flat Earth little tongue twister 1323 00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,150 that's a stupidest thing I've ever heard 1324 00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:41,920 and like you're an idiot and things like 1325 00:52:49,010 --> 00:52:43,690 that so it's it's don't seem very 1326 00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:49,020 predictive to me it's it's not a very 1327 00:52:53,490 --> 00:52:50,770 constructive way of doing it 1328 00:52:54,890 --> 00:52:53,500 it depends what your incentive is I mean 1329 00:52:57,780 --> 00:52:54,900 a lot of the fly earthers do the same 1330 00:53:01,350 --> 00:52:57,790 you know an equal amount of globo's are 1331 00:53:02,790 --> 00:53:01,360 the same it's Facebook you can say what 1332 00:53:05,540 --> 00:53:02,800 you want and get away with it so a lot 1333 00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:05,550 of people do it just for that and 1334 00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:08,260 somebody will say say somebody puts a 1335 00:53:13,110 --> 00:53:11,680 Polston you know and why are you in a 1336 00:53:14,670 --> 00:53:13,120 flat earth group if you don't believe in 1337 00:53:16,980 --> 00:53:14,680 Flat Earth it's like 1338 00:53:19,590 --> 00:53:16,990 because if the if you can just help one 1339 00:53:20,820 --> 00:53:19,600 or two people it's worth it yeah you 1340 00:53:22,740 --> 00:53:20,830 know if you can help somebody realized 1341 00:53:24,900 --> 00:53:22,750 that they're being duped they're being 1342 00:53:28,380 --> 00:53:24,910 completely and purposely misled and 1343 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:28,390 manipulated especially when one of me 1344 00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,850 mainly men remain tangled is when people 1345 00:53:34,860 --> 00:53:32,640 are using people's faith against him 1346 00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:34,870 he's like it says it in the Bible of the 1347 00:53:38,730 --> 00:53:36,550 Earth's flat well it doesn't say in the 1348 00:53:41,460 --> 00:53:38,740 Bible of the Earth's flat and he says 1349 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:41,470 these four corners well even a desk 1350 00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:45,190 doesn't have four corners it's new these 1351 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:47,590 I don't appreciate people using other 1352 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:49,450 people's faith against him I believe 1353 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:51,370 that everyone's welcome to believe in 1354 00:53:54,630 --> 00:53:52,810 whatever religion they like that's 1355 00:53:56,580 --> 00:53:54,640 absolutely fine I'm not very I'm not 1356 00:53:58,860 --> 00:53:56,590 religious in those aisles bravo catholic 1357 00:53:59,940 --> 00:53:58,870 christian book it's not something i've 1358 00:54:07,200 --> 00:53:59,950 kind of gone through with in all 1359 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:07,210 fairness to show you al qaeda not CNN 1360 00:54:14,010 --> 00:54:11,050 legible is it's like i believe that all 1361 00:54:16,620 --> 00:54:14,020 religions are written records of alien 1362 00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,630 contact no you know it's like I feel 1363 00:54:21,570 --> 00:54:18,880 like we're we're traveling through space 1364 00:54:23,820 --> 00:54:21,580 as a species imagine us in 50 years a 1365 00:54:25,290 --> 00:54:23,830 hundred years a thousand years we might 1366 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:25,300 be able to visit a planet that's got 1367 00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,490 primitive life if we went down there and 1368 00:54:31,380 --> 00:54:29,200 saw the amounts of farm domesticate 1369 00:54:33,690 --> 00:54:31,390 animals and be civilized buildings 1370 00:54:36,180 --> 00:54:33,700 educate they'd probably buy a house for 1371 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:36,190 thousands of years if we told them we'd 1372 00:54:38,370 --> 00:54:36,970 come back one day 1373 00:54:40,380 --> 00:54:38,380 you know something they'd probably 1374 00:54:43,110 --> 00:54:40,390 futons yourself you know I have got a 1375 00:54:45,930 --> 00:54:43,120 bit of a crazy conspiracy side to me as 1376 00:54:48,180 --> 00:54:45,940 well well it makes sense even even see 1377 00:54:51,180 --> 00:54:48,190 now there's the the cargo cults right 1378 00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:51,190 from the Second World War where the 1379 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:52,990 American servicemen went over to some 1380 00:54:58,110 --> 00:54:55,930 Pacific Islands and they left them some 1381 00:54:59,460 --> 00:54:58,120 food and stuff and they they thought 1382 00:55:00,720 --> 00:54:59,470 that they were gods and they studied 1383 00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:00,730 these religions about trying to make 1384 00:55:04,410 --> 00:55:01,990 them come back and give them more food 1385 00:55:07,950 --> 00:55:04,420 so there's always something that would 1386 00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:07,960 happen yeah I mean logically but you 1387 00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:11,440 know it's hard to say you know he 1388 00:55:14,490 --> 00:55:12,790 obviously is something that I would 1389 00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:14,500 never say is a fact I've never tried 1390 00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:16,330 telling to yet religion is actually 1391 00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:19,480 aliens it's just my opinion in something 1392 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:21,640 that I think could possibly be true or 1393 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:22,810 possibly not meet you I could be 1394 00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:23,410 completely wrong 1395 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:27,880 everything who knows but the way I saw 1396 00:55:30,630 --> 00:55:28,330 is 1397 00:55:32,550 --> 00:55:30,640 some sometimes they'll ask what happens 1398 00:55:34,620 --> 00:55:32,560 if NASA turn around and say that the 1399 00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:34,630 earth is flat what would you do I'd say 1400 00:55:38,010 --> 00:55:35,890 well the first thing I'd do is I'd 1401 00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,020 expect explanations for all the evidence 1402 00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:40,480 it's a globe you know because that would 1403 00:55:46,380 --> 00:55:44,410 then need addressing service and yeah 1404 00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:46,390 it's cuz you're not basing your your 1405 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:48,900 belief on you know NASA being some 1406 00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,330 all-powerful always right thing you're 1407 00:55:56,130 --> 00:55:54,400 basing your belief um you know 1408 00:56:00,120 --> 00:55:56,140 observations and experiments that you 1409 00:56:01,710 --> 00:56:00,130 personally have done and presented yeah 1410 00:56:04,530 --> 00:56:01,720 and the weight of all of human history 1411 00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:04,540 and science on top of that as well 1412 00:56:10,340 --> 00:56:07,570 so just NASA saying the earth is flat 1413 00:56:12,270 --> 00:56:10,350 that would be a rather surprising and 1414 00:56:14,370 --> 00:56:12,280 dissonant thing that you would have to 1415 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:14,380 actually have some evidence rather than 1416 00:56:18,660 --> 00:56:16,290 just some guy from NASA saying something 1417 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:18,670 no absolutely and then obviously I just 1418 00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:19,690 asked and that's it well why is the 1419 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:23,410 horizon three miles away yeah and 1420 00:56:26,610 --> 00:56:24,730 obviously at that point they would be 1421 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:26,620 given some kind of explanation as to why 1422 00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:28,450 that would happen and yeah if the earth 1423 00:56:32,910 --> 00:56:29,890 was flat there would be an explanation 1424 00:56:34,530 --> 00:56:32,920 for it yeah there's no explanation for 1425 00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,540 it and it's it is proof 1426 00:56:39,450 --> 00:56:36,880 I mean Donal me wrong the horizon isn't 1427 00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:39,460 proof of a globe the horizon is proof of 1428 00:56:43,110 --> 00:56:41,680 curvature I'll never turn down to a flat 1429 00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:43,120 earther and say look there's a horizon 1430 00:56:47,700 --> 00:56:45,490 there for the Earth's a globe okay look 1431 00:56:48,930 --> 00:56:47,710 the horizon proves curvature I'm not 1432 00:56:51,210 --> 00:56:48,940 trying to get you admit of the earth 1433 00:56:52,530 --> 00:56:51,220 globe and I've had quite a few of them 1434 00:56:54,240 --> 00:56:52,540 saying well maybe the earth is much 1435 00:56:55,290 --> 00:56:54,250 bigger than we expect it had a few of 1436 00:56:58,110 --> 00:56:55,300 them get to the point where I've ER 1437 00:57:00,090 --> 00:56:58,120 where I was up and that's when I know 1438 00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:00,100 that people are thinking about it have a 1439 00:57:02,940 --> 00:57:01,450 few of them say well maybe the earth 1440 00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:02,950 looks from much larger and we've got the 1441 00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:04,660 dimensions wrong I've had that as well 1442 00:57:08,970 --> 00:57:06,640 I've got to that point in their 1443 00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:08,980 reasoning you say there must be 1444 00:57:14,460 --> 00:57:12,670 curvature but we're seeing too much of a 1445 00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:14,470 you know Chicago or whatever and so 1446 00:57:19,500 --> 00:57:18,130 maybe it's not doing that much yeah and 1447 00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:19,510 then it's just understanding refraction 1448 00:57:24,180 --> 00:57:21,010 and what refraction doesn't yeah it's a 1449 00:57:27,180 --> 00:57:24,190 good STEMI and like the other guy said 1450 00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:27,190 to hear about the you know why when when 1451 00:57:30,090 --> 00:57:28,480 he gets past when something gets past 1452 00:57:33,450 --> 00:57:30,100 the horizon why doesn't it disappear 1453 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:33,460 cuz it is a very gradual a very gradual 1454 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:35,770 curve it's like them that other guy said 1455 00:57:40,170 --> 00:57:37,690 to you as well if a bolt does a 360 and 1456 00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,180 does it start coming back uphill from 1457 00:57:44,819 --> 00:57:41,920 there yeah if you 1458 00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:44,829 on the boat no you still going you know 1459 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:47,339 straightforward is it's just a basic 1460 00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:49,690 it's a lot of misunderstanding of the 1461 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:51,790 yeah but I was fascinating to me like 1462 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:54,490 when he said that like he was he was 1463 00:57:58,680 --> 00:57:56,530 saying that like everything is downhill 1464 00:57:59,819 --> 00:57:58,690 on the the globe model yeah you're 1465 00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:59,829 standing on the top of the globe and 1466 00:58:04,380 --> 00:58:01,359 everything's downhill so the boat would 1467 00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:04,390 have a sail uphill somehow was just you 1468 00:58:09,780 --> 00:58:06,839 know he doesn't understand it at all 1469 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:09,790 what's actually going on and it's it's 1470 00:58:14,579 --> 00:58:11,650 just it's just like an aha moment for me 1471 00:58:16,829 --> 00:58:14,589 sometimes when I hear somebody say that 1472 00:58:18,660 --> 00:58:16,839 and I kind of understand a little bit 1473 00:58:21,150 --> 00:58:18,670 better what there must misunderstanding 1474 00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,160 is and then it's just like another child 1475 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:23,280 was trying to explain that one thing 1476 00:58:29,789 --> 00:58:25,930 yeah I mean there was a few things that 1477 00:58:33,839 --> 00:58:29,799 he said that were obviously just clear 1478 00:58:37,410 --> 00:58:33,849 and easy mistakes to me and you can what 1479 00:58:39,089 --> 00:58:37,420 the problem is it's not his fault no 1480 00:58:41,609 --> 00:58:39,099 it's the way he's been presented by the 1481 00:58:44,670 --> 00:58:41,619 by the flat earth community the way they 1482 00:58:46,589 --> 00:58:44,680 presented is that there are no answers 1483 00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:46,599 and that when they're saying things like 1484 00:58:51,450 --> 00:58:49,599 the nail runs uphill it's like to say 1485 00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:51,460 that the River Nile runs uphill because 1486 00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,680 it goes from south to north yeah well if 1487 00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:54,880 you actually lock into it there's 1488 00:59:00,420 --> 00:58:57,359 actually a down or gradient of thank you 1489 00:59:02,460 --> 00:59:00,430 and I can't remember exactly I don't 1490 00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:02,470 want to kind of miss global you look you 1491 00:59:08,309 --> 00:59:03,849 actually cross-reference what you're 1492 00:59:10,740 --> 00:59:08,319 here and you find the answers you know - 1493 00:59:12,270 --> 00:59:10,750 laughs doesn't mean uphill yeah and 1494 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:12,280 there are answers like you said there's 1495 00:59:16,140 --> 00:59:14,770 the there are explanations or scientific 1496 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:16,150 explanations for all these things all 1497 00:59:20,940 --> 00:59:19,210 these questions have like actual exact 1498 00:59:23,099 --> 00:59:20,950 answers and we know these rivers have 1499 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:23,109 all been surveyed and we know exactly 1500 00:59:28,410 --> 00:59:26,650 like how high the drop is over so many 1501 00:59:29,940 --> 00:59:28,420 miles like you know it goes down to for 1502 00:59:32,970 --> 00:59:29,950 each every mile or something like that 1503 00:59:36,210 --> 00:59:32,980 so you know we know exactly what happens 1504 00:59:37,799 --> 00:59:36,220 with these but they they ignore these 1505 00:59:41,039 --> 00:59:37,809 these explanations something I always 1506 00:59:43,380 --> 00:59:41,049 try to do is I always ask them to be 1507 00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:43,390 more open-minded which I think sometimes 1508 00:59:46,829 --> 00:59:45,190 the xscape a bit of a surprise to them 1509 00:59:48,180 --> 00:59:46,839 because they think that because they 1510 00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:48,190 have all these alternative beliefs 1511 00:59:53,710 --> 00:59:51,609 they're super open-minded but I just say 1512 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:53,720 like try to be a bit more open-minded 1513 00:59:59,500 --> 00:59:56,090 and look at this side of the argument 1514 01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:59,510 and always presenting the conventional 1515 01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,280 side of the argument as being the 1516 01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:02,960 alternative that they need to consider 1517 01:00:07,060 --> 01:00:04,130 because they've gone so far the other 1518 01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:07,070 way that for them they've been best 1519 01:00:11,410 --> 01:00:08,720 they're stuck in this thing but they 1520 01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:11,420 still think they're being open-minded by 1521 01:00:15,700 --> 01:00:14,090 only believing the Flat Earth one of my 1522 01:00:16,510 --> 01:00:15,710 main lines to him is questions on 1523 01:00:18,339 --> 01:00:16,520 evidence 1524 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:18,349 you know because they'll say well why 1525 01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:20,210 does this happen 1526 01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:22,910 why are you asking me you know your your 1527 01:00:27,490 --> 01:00:25,310 what you're not here to disprove random 1528 01:00:28,180 --> 01:00:27,500 people on Facebook you here to disprove 1529 01:00:30,730 --> 01:00:28,190 the science 1530 01:00:33,550 --> 01:00:30,740 so look at the scientific answer to your 1531 01:00:35,890 --> 01:00:33,560 question find flaws in it and present 1532 01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:35,900 those flowers you know if you can find 1533 01:00:40,690 --> 01:00:37,849 flaws in the explanation for the lunar 1534 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:40,700 eclipse and explain it so I mean that's 1535 01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:42,530 when you get called names all you get 1536 01:00:47,710 --> 01:00:44,210 told that Pythagoras was a freemason 1537 01:00:49,950 --> 01:00:47,720 right so they do have the the Gaucho 1538 01:00:51,970 --> 01:00:49,960 jail free cards if you will 1539 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:51,980 yeah but not all of them though and 1540 01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:52,970 that's that's the thing that's saying 1541 01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:54,650 that's the the promising thing is that 1542 01:00:57,790 --> 01:00:56,210 you know you do actually get people who 1543 01:00:59,050 --> 01:00:57,800 were listening to you and that you do 1544 01:01:01,870 --> 01:00:59,060 get people well who will actually 1545 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:01,880 honestly engage you in conversation and 1546 01:01:05,530 --> 01:01:03,770 I think that's that's great and it's 1547 01:01:09,849 --> 01:01:05,540 great that you've been doing it and yeah 1548 01:01:12,970 --> 01:01:09,859 yeah lately and Sasha 1549 01:01:17,050 --> 01:01:12,980 she's really really open to listening to 1550 01:01:20,530 --> 01:01:17,060 oh yeah she did she seemed like she was 1551 01:01:22,810 --> 01:01:20,540 very open-minded but she she never 1552 01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:22,820 wanted to really accept anything from 1553 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:24,770 the conventional science because she 1554 01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,210 always wanted to remain open-minded 1555 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:29,359 enough that it that it would be wrong so 1556 01:01:34,359 --> 01:01:30,890 even though she said oh that sounds 1557 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:34,369 right but you know she I don't think she 1558 01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:36,650 was actually very good in in terms of 1559 01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:38,450 her scientific understanding of the 1560 01:01:43,810 --> 01:01:40,160 arguments but she was very good in terms 1561 01:01:46,300 --> 01:01:43,820 of being open-minded which didn't didn't 1562 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:46,310 work out really yeah I should get it 1563 01:01:48,810 --> 01:01:47,810 back on I think I should see see where 1564 01:01:52,420 --> 01:01:48,820 she is now 1565 01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:52,430 people yeah after a year or so it's been 1566 01:01:57,070 --> 01:01:54,170 a while it's been at least nine months 1567 01:01:59,530 --> 01:01:57,080 inside Iran so you see a lot of people 1568 01:02:00,670 --> 01:01:59,540 did they do the-- if they kind of come 1569 01:02:01,990 --> 01:02:00,680 to the understanding and start 1570 01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,000 questioning their own beliefs they'll 1571 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:04,400 just stop posting they'll start stop 1572 01:02:08,950 --> 01:02:07,010 talking about indulge a for me yeah 1573 01:02:10,780 --> 01:02:08,960 c14 means it drew me away from a lot of 1574 01:02:12,730 --> 01:02:10,790 conspiracies you know I was looking like 1575 01:02:15,810 --> 01:02:12,740 I was looking into Nibiru looking into 1576 01:02:18,580 --> 01:02:15,820 9/11 at the time and then realizing how 1577 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:18,590 manipulative the evidence presented by 1578 01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:21,410 fly earth is made me very suspicious of 1579 01:02:26,380 --> 01:02:23,680 all the other conspiracy theories you 1580 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:26,390 know slightly sorts a program with Jesse 1581 01:02:31,570 --> 01:02:28,730 Ventura you know his foe's affair with 1582 01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,580 him and it's interesting you know it's 1583 01:02:37,060 --> 01:02:33,200 interesting to look at anything you know 1584 01:02:40,540 --> 01:02:37,070 it's it's a fun thing to watch and then 1585 01:02:42,370 --> 01:02:40,550 you start disliking the debunkers 1586 01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:42,380 because the ruin in the mystery failure 1587 01:02:53,950 --> 01:02:51,260 you know I mean oh yeah but a lot of 1588 01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:53,960 people instead of just realizing oh yeah 1589 01:02:58,930 --> 01:02:57,200 I've been duped a bit they'll take it to 1590 01:03:00,250 --> 01:02:58,940 heart looks like it personally and I 1591 01:03:02,680 --> 01:03:00,260 think well that's just somebody else 1592 01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:02,690 who's lying to me mm-hmm you know the 1593 01:03:08,350 --> 01:03:04,850 the mass that the maths that they're 1594 01:03:09,820 --> 01:03:08,360 using the origin of it is from 1595 01:03:11,530 --> 01:03:09,830 Freemasons therefore it's a lie 1596 01:03:14,470 --> 01:03:11,540 therefore everything is a lie therefore 1597 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:14,480 all the scientists are lying but the 1598 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:16,730 information they're working with must be 1599 01:03:21,340 --> 01:03:19,130 a lie because the earth is flat so they 1600 01:03:23,170 --> 01:03:21,350 start with the conclusion and then work 1601 01:03:26,020 --> 01:03:23,180 backwards from it yes 1602 01:03:27,670 --> 01:03:26,030 what's that was the result like yes 1603 01:03:32,110 --> 01:03:27,680 there's one one of the guys I talked to 1604 01:03:35,050 --> 01:03:32,120 from my book was I think he said that he 1605 01:03:37,090 --> 01:03:35,060 realized at some point that this stuff 1606 01:03:38,860 --> 01:03:37,100 was all wrong but he kind of continued 1607 01:03:40,420 --> 01:03:38,870 arguing anyway because he wanted it to 1608 01:03:42,100 --> 01:03:40,430 be to be right and he felt like it 1609 01:03:43,900 --> 01:03:42,110 should be right even though he knew that 1610 01:03:44,860 --> 01:03:43,910 there were their arguments against it he 1611 01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:44,870 still carried on 1612 01:03:49,690 --> 01:03:48,050 was there any period for you where he 1613 01:03:50,890 --> 01:03:49,700 was that where you you can have realized 1614 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:50,900 it was wrong but you still kind of 1615 01:03:54,930 --> 01:03:53,810 carried on trying to argue that it might 1616 01:03:59,650 --> 01:03:54,940 be right 1617 01:04:03,490 --> 01:03:59,660 no because um I so very very definite no 1618 01:04:06,190 --> 01:04:03,500 because all time I was interested in the 1619 01:04:09,490 --> 01:04:06,200 truth yeah and when I thought Flat Earth 1620 01:04:12,130 --> 01:04:09,500 was the truth I was on board when a 1621 01:04:14,890 --> 01:04:12,140 static question in it I'm right right 1622 01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:14,900 well I want the truth and he was never a 1623 01:04:19,230 --> 01:04:17,690 motive well I'd rather it be true so I'm 1624 01:04:21,270 --> 01:04:19,240 going to sway this side 1625 01:04:23,250 --> 01:04:21,280 it's just simple and that's why I want 1626 01:04:25,710 --> 01:04:23,260 to cross-examine it because it was cross 1627 01:04:28,470 --> 01:04:25,720 examining all the evidence which got me 1628 01:04:30,330 --> 01:04:28,480 out there he cross-examined me made the 1629 01:04:32,940 --> 01:04:30,340 main three fingers likewise in a curved 1630 01:04:35,460 --> 01:04:32,950 flight paths because a straight flight 1631 01:04:37,710 --> 01:04:35,470 path is through the earth to get from 1632 01:04:39,630 --> 01:04:37,720 point A to point B on a on a globe in a 1633 01:04:44,070 --> 01:04:39,640 straight line going through the earth 1634 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:44,080 its efficacy is good absolutely yeah so 1635 01:04:48,180 --> 01:04:45,730 the way the reason it shows has curved 1636 01:04:49,710 --> 01:04:48,190 on on a map is because that's the 1637 01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:49,720 distance it's going it's going around 1638 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:53,290 the curve the dots had fall tours of the 1639 01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:55,330 earth so you've got the because if you 1640 01:04:59,910 --> 01:04:56,650 remember the three main parts of Senator 1641 01:05:02,370 --> 01:04:59,920 Chicago the state fault fake photo of 1642 01:05:05,580 --> 01:05:02,380 Earth and the flight path so the flight 1643 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:05,590 paths I understood one because you can't 1644 01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:07,810 fly over massive oceans because you need 1645 01:05:13,250 --> 01:05:09,610 to be a certain I think it's amount 1646 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:13,260 about to our distance away from Lund 1647 01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:18,010 services yeah yeah I remember reading 1648 01:05:23,540 --> 01:05:20,730 about the FAA saying you need obviously 1649 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:23,550 commercial passenger planes needs to be 1650 01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:26,050 savable it's one of the reason you don't 1651 01:05:28,650 --> 01:05:27,580 go to Antarctica bees and the treat is 1652 01:05:30,660 --> 01:05:28,660 there because it's one of the most 1653 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:30,670 dangerous places on earth if you go 1654 01:05:36,180 --> 01:05:32,890 there and you end up in trouble in help 1655 01:05:38,310 --> 01:05:36,190 is going to be a big problem but the 1656 01:05:40,740 --> 01:05:38,320 photos of Earth the interview with 1657 01:05:42,750 --> 01:05:40,750 Robert Simmons the guys love to call 1658 01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:42,760 it's false a shop where it has to be 1659 01:05:46,740 --> 01:05:44,130 mm-hm 1660 01:05:48,270 --> 01:05:46,750 so you're looking to that in fact well 1661 01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:48,280 that explains a double cloud poem 1662 01:05:52,349 --> 01:05:50,740 because it's a composite photo so ever 1663 01:05:53,730 --> 01:05:52,359 they've added the clouds on afterwards 1664 01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:53,740 because its composite are whether 1665 01:05:57,870 --> 01:05:55,119 they've just overlapped because it's 1666 01:06:00,359 --> 01:05:57,880 composite he sat down in his explained 1667 01:06:02,790 --> 01:06:00,369 that and then quilting him explaining 1668 01:06:05,250 --> 01:06:02,800 why they use composites he's a bit 1669 01:06:07,349 --> 01:06:05,260 dishonest again so it's like well 1670 01:06:08,970 --> 01:06:07,359 where's the stars it's like well look 1671 01:06:11,099 --> 01:06:08,980 you think they're smart enough to fill 1672 01:06:14,609 --> 01:06:11,109 the whole world but they just happened 1673 01:06:16,170 --> 01:06:14,619 to forget support stars in the photo so 1674 01:06:19,140 --> 01:06:16,180 I was in Northumberland 1675 01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:19,150 in England it's one of the darkest 1676 01:06:25,470 --> 01:06:22,440 places for stargazing this did come so 1677 01:06:27,180 --> 01:06:25,480 now I've never seen the sky like it I 1678 01:06:29,070 --> 01:06:27,190 mean I live in rather than city centre 1679 01:06:31,740 --> 01:06:29,080 Manchester and you know see few stars 1680 01:06:32,910 --> 01:06:31,750 but never seen a sky like in my life so 1681 01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:32,920 dot me 1682 01:06:39,180 --> 01:06:34,770 phone out took a picture of the sky 1683 01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:39,190 absolutely no stars whatsoever now I 1684 01:06:44,070 --> 01:06:41,920 pinpointed where Jupiter was on one of 1685 01:06:46,380 --> 01:06:44,080 these little sky map apps on my phone 1686 01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:46,390 Sokka thought of all these stars with 1687 01:06:51,810 --> 01:06:49,390 Jupiter among them and I got some 1688 01:06:55,350 --> 01:06:51,820 Jupiter in my photo only one standing 1689 01:06:57,150 --> 01:06:55,360 miss also so it's clearly exposure you 1690 01:06:59,310 --> 01:06:57,160 know they say well why is it all stars 1691 01:07:02,910 --> 01:06:59,320 and photos of Earth because to get earth 1692 01:07:04,770 --> 01:07:02,920 in the photo the stars are under xposed 1693 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:04,780 if you want to get stars in the photo 1694 01:07:11,370 --> 01:07:07,450 the earth would be overexposed in which 1695 01:07:13,380 --> 01:07:11,380 case it'd be a pointless photo so the 1696 01:07:15,660 --> 01:07:13,390 way I explained it to him is you can 1697 01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:15,670 prove that it's exposure by going 1698 01:07:19,890 --> 01:07:17,920 outside take a photo of this guy when 1699 01:07:22,710 --> 01:07:19,900 you can see lots of stars you will get 1700 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:22,720 no stars in your photo whereas if you 1701 01:07:28,830 --> 01:07:26,410 use a map up to find where at one of the 1702 01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:28,840 planets in our solar system is and you 1703 01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:30,370 take a fall in that direction 1704 01:07:37,860 --> 01:07:34,650 voila you've got a star in your photo 1705 01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:37,870 and it just shows it's I mean at first I 1706 01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:40,570 I believe that was down to distance you 1707 01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:42,910 know Jupiter's much closer that's why 1708 01:07:47,730 --> 01:07:45,610 you can get it in a picture it's not it 1709 01:07:50,190 --> 01:07:47,740 because it's brighter and it's in 1710 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:50,200 sunlight essentially it is like it's 1711 01:07:55,950 --> 01:07:53,050 like a tiny bit of sunlight in the in 1712 01:07:56,850 --> 01:07:55,960 the sky like Jupiter or the moon you 1713 01:07:58,380 --> 01:07:56,860 know the moon is actually really 1714 01:08:01,470 --> 01:07:58,390 incredibly bright because it's actually 1715 01:08:02,850 --> 01:08:01,480 in sunlight but it's not very big which 1716 01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:02,860 is why when you take a picture of it a 1717 01:08:05,730 --> 01:08:04,630 night with you and with you cellphone it 1718 01:08:07,650 --> 01:08:05,740 just comes out as this really bright 1719 01:08:10,260 --> 01:08:07,660 blob and you have to kind of really done 1720 01:08:12,450 --> 01:08:10,270 dial back the exposure to to get it in 1721 01:08:15,090 --> 01:08:12,460 there so you know a couple of questions 1722 01:08:17,220 --> 01:08:15,100 flieth as I've asked me the dad did have 1723 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:17,230 to go on because nine times out of ten 1724 01:08:21,870 --> 01:08:19,570 the things fire they've asked you you 1725 01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:21,880 can just you can back away with logic 1726 01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:25,210 and you really can but there's been a 1727 01:08:28,470 --> 01:08:26,710 couple of times where I've had to where 1728 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:28,480 I said to him you know I appreciate that 1729 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:28,930 question 1730 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:30,970 I've been research it before have you an 1731 01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:33,250 answer one of them was why the fault 1732 01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:36,310 holes on the moon why does the earth 1733 01:08:43,110 --> 01:08:40,570 look so small and that was one that got 1734 01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:43,120 me and it very simply now it's just a my 1735 01:08:45,919 --> 01:08:44,770 ovett will go outside take a fall of the 1736 01:08:49,189 --> 01:08:45,929 moon yourself yeah 1737 01:08:50,059 --> 01:08:49,199 much smaller in your photo then it does 1738 01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:50,069 with your eyes 1739 01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:52,799 that's just how cameras work so he's 1740 01:08:56,269 --> 01:08:54,960 that one but one of the the main 1741 01:08:57,709 --> 01:08:56,279 question I mean it wasn't really related 1742 01:09:00,140 --> 01:08:57,719 to the shape of the earth but it was 1743 01:09:01,700 --> 01:09:00,150 just more relation to they think that 1744 01:09:05,660 --> 01:09:01,710 they're being lied to about space was 1745 01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:05,670 why are the craters on the earth siding 1746 01:09:12,740 --> 01:09:08,730 earth facing side of the Moon larger 1747 01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:12,750 than on the dark side of the moon and 1748 01:09:15,769 --> 01:09:14,040 that was a question that they asked me 1749 01:09:17,559 --> 01:09:15,779 and I was like you know what that's one 1750 01:09:20,329 --> 01:09:17,569 of the best questions I've been asked 1751 01:09:22,280 --> 01:09:20,339 and it had to go away and I had to 1752 01:09:24,950 --> 01:09:22,290 research it what would you give for that 1753 01:09:27,649 --> 01:09:24,960 I don't know I didn't didn't know though 1754 01:09:31,519 --> 01:09:27,659 the HD were larger on the earth facing 1755 01:09:32,539 --> 01:09:31,529 side hmm I mean they're not you had the 1756 01:09:33,890 --> 01:09:32,549 earth in the moon are very very far 1757 01:09:36,530 --> 01:09:33,900 apart when you think about where they 1758 01:09:38,990 --> 01:09:36,540 actually are you know the asteroids are 1759 01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:39,000 coming in from mouths going around that 1760 01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:42,960 way makes a lot of false holes at the 1761 01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:44,670 back side of the moon and there's no 1762 01:09:50,180 --> 01:09:47,120 craters the size that we can see from 1763 01:09:53,260 --> 01:09:50,190 you know filmers must be something big 1764 01:09:55,550 --> 01:09:53,270 the craters on the back of the moon say 1765 01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:55,560 really good question I was quite 1766 01:10:00,680 --> 01:09:57,420 impressed with it in you know I gave him 1767 01:10:02,209 --> 01:10:00,690 credit where it was due so I did look 1768 01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:02,219 into it and obviously I found the answer 1769 01:10:10,490 --> 01:10:08,370 was while the while both planets were 1770 01:10:14,300 --> 01:10:10,500 being formed well the earth in the moon 1771 01:10:19,370 --> 01:10:14,310 the Earth's earth-facing side of the 1772 01:10:21,590 --> 01:10:19,380 Moon is warmer than the backside so well 1773 01:10:25,300 --> 01:10:21,600 the far side so it's like the difference 1774 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:25,310 between dropping a golf ball into sand 1775 01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:29,010 then a golf ball into flour it will 1776 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:31,650 create a bigger a bigger impact crater 1777 01:10:39,140 --> 01:10:35,489 yeah it's interesting is looking photos 1778 01:10:41,390 --> 01:10:39,150 here so then I had questions that they 1779 01:10:43,250 --> 01:10:41,400 asked that you know may not be related 1780 01:10:45,770 --> 01:10:43,260 directly to the shape of the earth for 1781 01:10:49,010 --> 01:10:45,780 the teacher you know I'm like I'll say 1782 01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:49,020 Adam just as much as they are wrong 1783 01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:50,610 about the shape of the earth it's 1784 01:10:55,340 --> 01:10:53,520 interesting what about science yeah it's 1785 01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:55,350 interesting that idea they will ask you 1786 01:10:58,910 --> 01:10:56,850 questions about the far side of the Moon 1787 01:10:59,720 --> 01:10:58,920 but that kind of presupposes the far 1788 01:11:01,820 --> 01:10:59,730 side of the Moon 1789 01:11:04,490 --> 01:11:01,830 exists which I wish you wouldn't do on 1790 01:11:06,110 --> 01:11:04,500 on the older days so I guess some of 1791 01:11:07,580 --> 01:11:06,120 them will think that the the movie is 1792 01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:07,590 actually a big ball and that they've 1793 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:09,090 sent a plane up to look on the other 1794 01:11:11,150 --> 01:11:10,410 side of it and which doesn't really make 1795 01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,160 any sense 1796 01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:12,960 yeah that's an interesting thing I 1797 01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:14,280 didn't didn't know that there was such a 1798 01:11:18,440 --> 01:11:16,770 start well I probably seen it like years 1799 01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:18,450 ago but you know I was kind of thinking 1800 01:11:22,370 --> 01:11:20,370 of the regular craters but it's really 1801 01:11:26,150 --> 01:11:22,380 these these large ones that have these 1802 01:11:27,050 --> 01:11:26,160 rays going everywhere on the the near 1803 01:11:29,750 --> 01:11:27,060 side of the moon they look very 1804 01:11:31,460 --> 01:11:29,760 different the first time fascinating 1805 01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:31,470 learn something new every day and that's 1806 01:11:35,930 --> 01:11:32,850 yeah one of the great things about like 1807 01:11:37,010 --> 01:11:35,940 looking into Flat Earth is that you get 1808 01:11:40,970 --> 01:11:37,020 to learn all kinds of interesting 1809 01:11:41,990 --> 01:11:40,980 science and stuff and marks Arjun I 1810 01:11:43,940 --> 01:11:42,000 don't know if you know of him but he was 1811 01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:43,950 over there this morning and with Phil 1812 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:46,260 Schofield and Holly Willoughby was on 1813 01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:50,570 with them the other day and when you 1814 01:11:55,100 --> 01:11:52,730 when you understand the logic behind 1815 01:11:58,100 --> 01:11:55,110 behind the floweth and opposite the 1816 01:11:59,660 --> 01:11:58,110 globe you realize that the the Pisces 1817 01:12:02,660 --> 01:11:59,670 give it as soon as he gave because he 1818 01:12:05,870 --> 01:12:02,670 gave them five is five most important 1819 01:12:07,130 --> 01:12:05,880 points and these are like the old points 1820 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:07,140 that flat earth has don't even make 1821 01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:08,850 anymore and he was at that point when 1822 01:12:12,979 --> 01:12:11,280 you realized someone like him it's just 1823 01:12:17,210 --> 01:12:12,989 a matter of no publicity is bad 1824 01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:17,220 publicity yeah and it's all about it's 1825 01:12:20,990 --> 01:12:19,230 all about the clicks and that's what a 1826 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:21,000 lot of it is where they're getting the 1827 01:12:24,890 --> 01:12:22,890 information from the reason they so many 1828 01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:24,900 people still invested in flyers is 1829 01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:26,610 because there's so many people still 1830 01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:30,600 invested in making money you know I was 1831 01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:33,170 tempted myself smash a few bottles or 1832 01:12:39,170 --> 01:12:35,880 segments you know because you know the 1833 01:12:44,210 --> 01:12:39,180 people will believe anything so yeah 1834 01:12:46,130 --> 01:12:44,220 well I left if they are making money I 1835 01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:46,140 would like to see how much money you can 1836 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:48,000 actually make from from doing the flat 1837 01:12:51,470 --> 01:12:49,770 earth I suppose like if you're mark 1838 01:12:53,420 --> 01:12:51,480 Sargent is one of the most famous people 1839 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:53,430 as he was on that documentary and 1840 01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:55,530 there's been unlike YouTube a lot then 1841 01:12:58,700 --> 01:12:57,090 you're gonna get more traffic right 1842 01:13:00,979 --> 01:12:58,710 these are the people I'm just not sure 1843 01:13:02,810 --> 01:13:00,989 that they're actually making any money I 1844 01:13:04,250 --> 01:13:02,820 think Nathan Thompson you know the kind 1845 01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,260 of homeless guy who was shouting at the 1846 01:13:10,830 --> 01:13:07,440 school kids he he's not actually making 1847 01:13:14,710 --> 01:13:10,840 money as far as I know but sir 1848 01:13:16,330 --> 01:13:14,720 yeah invested in some way well people 1849 01:13:17,710 --> 01:13:16,340 say it about like the the chemtrail 1850 01:13:18,850 --> 01:13:17,720 people as well they say the chemtrail 1851 01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:18,860 people just promote it because they're 1852 01:13:24,460 --> 01:13:20,690 making money I think that's true for 1853 01:13:26,020 --> 01:13:24,470 like Alex Jones and yeah further people 1854 01:13:27,670 --> 01:13:26,030 like that but I have a lot of the 1855 01:13:29,980 --> 01:13:27,680 chemtrail people actually genuinely 1856 01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:29,990 believe it and all of the 9/11 people 1857 01:13:33,940 --> 01:13:32,000 generally believe it as well but he had 1858 01:13:36,250 --> 01:13:33,950 the flat earth people and how can you 1859 01:13:38,410 --> 01:13:36,260 continue believing it after so long 1860 01:13:40,390 --> 01:13:38,420 after you've seen all the the evidence 1861 01:13:42,070 --> 01:13:40,400 that's what I mean the only ones I feel 1862 01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:42,080 genuinely believe the ones that will 1863 01:13:45,370 --> 01:13:43,370 stick around and everything back and 1864 01:13:52,180 --> 01:13:45,380 forth today with you which is very rare 1865 01:13:54,450 --> 01:13:52,190 yeah I'll say at the the guy who had on 1866 01:13:56,770 --> 01:13:54,460 Jeff when he was mention about the the 1867 01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:56,780 contrail chemtrail herbal tea when he 1868 01:13:59,950 --> 01:13:57,890 was talking about that video 1869 01:14:01,990 --> 01:13:59,960 I think the point was making was there 1870 01:14:04,330 --> 01:14:02,000 was two planes of appeared to be at the 1871 01:14:07,150 --> 01:14:04,340 same home one was given a trail one 1872 01:14:08,500 --> 01:14:07,160 wasn't now I look at planes up in the 1873 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:08,510 sky and I think they look around about 1874 01:14:11,950 --> 01:14:10,370 the same height you know the same size 1875 01:14:13,690 --> 01:14:11,960 in this guy one of them will give a 1876 01:14:15,610 --> 01:14:13,700 trail one of them doesn't I've never 1877 01:14:17,740 --> 01:14:15,620 really looked into contrails chemtrails 1878 01:14:19,690 --> 01:14:17,750 but it is something that you ever wonder 1879 01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:19,700 why is one given a trail and one isn't 1880 01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:21,530 it's good question it's a good question 1881 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:26,090 with with the answer is really that it 1882 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:27,530 doesn't take very much difference in 1883 01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:30,650 altitude to be in a cloud forming layer 1884 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:32,810 or not in a cloud forming layer you 1885 01:14:36,460 --> 01:14:34,490 thinking about like clouds like you 1886 01:14:37,170 --> 01:14:36,470 think about it it's like clouds a cloud 1887 01:14:42,550 --> 01:14:37,180 layer 1888 01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:42,560 it's in it bit 500 feet below that thing 1889 01:14:46,300 --> 01:14:44,690 it's not in it so you're either in the 1890 01:14:48,220 --> 01:14:46,310 cloud layer or not in that so it can be 1891 01:14:51,330 --> 01:14:48,230 just a few hundred feet to be in a layer 1892 01:14:53,380 --> 01:14:51,340 or not in a layer now with contrails 1893 01:14:55,090 --> 01:14:53,390 what you're in you're in you're in a 1894 01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:55,100 cloud forming layer that doesn't have 1895 01:14:59,680 --> 01:14:57,590 any clouds formed yet because this is 1896 01:15:02,050 --> 01:14:59,690 just below the amount of humidity needed 1897 01:15:05,140 --> 01:15:02,060 to form clouds and the plane comes along 1898 01:15:08,380 --> 01:15:05,150 it spews some you know some hot moist 1899 01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:08,390 exhaust out of its back and a cloud 1900 01:15:14,770 --> 01:15:12,320 forms but 500 feet below that it's not 1901 01:15:16,330 --> 01:15:14,780 moist enough exactly the same way as you 1902 01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:16,340 get like clouds or no clouds you get 1903 01:15:20,860 --> 01:15:18,650 cloud forming this is not cloud forming 1904 01:15:23,300 --> 01:15:20,870 and it's just like a few hundred feet so 1905 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:23,310 our plane can be just a few hundred feet 1906 01:15:27,950 --> 01:15:25,290 below another one and it could not 1907 01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:27,960 making it or even above it and if you 1908 01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:29,610 with a distance like you think like so 1909 01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:32,460 am I looking at this video here my hands 1910 01:15:38,290 --> 01:15:34,320 are the same size approximately my right 1911 01:15:42,620 --> 01:15:38,300 hand slightly bigger but if they are say 1912 01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:42,630 the equivalents of 30,000 feet away way 1913 01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:45,090 back over here so let's say that's 1914 01:15:51,410 --> 01:15:49,020 30,000 feet and I move one to 29,000 1915 01:15:54,260 --> 01:15:51,420 feet moving a little bit closer it's not 1916 01:15:56,420 --> 01:15:54,270 moving very much the same and if you got 1917 01:16:00,650 --> 01:15:56,430 planes that are actually different 1918 01:16:02,510 --> 01:16:00,660 planes like you've got a 747 and a 737 1919 01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:02,520 from a distance you can't tell which is 1920 01:16:05,570 --> 01:16:03,930 which there just looks like like little 1921 01:16:07,460 --> 01:16:05,580 wine things with wings in the distance 1922 01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:07,470 but one is like more than twice the size 1923 01:16:11,930 --> 01:16:09,810 of the other one so there's no way you 1924 01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:11,940 can tell whether one is higher or lower 1925 01:16:15,170 --> 01:16:13,410 it's actually quite rare to get two 1926 01:16:17,660 --> 01:16:15,180 planes next to each other in the sky 1927 01:16:20,180 --> 01:16:17,670 that are actually the same plane most 1928 01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,190 likely thing is you're gonna get 737 1929 01:16:27,050 --> 01:16:22,560 even 737s they come in all different 1930 01:16:28,460 --> 01:16:27,060 sizes a 737 9 300 400 500 800 they're 1931 01:16:36,860 --> 01:16:28,470 all different sizes you have different 1932 01:16:38,990 --> 01:16:36,870 wing spans dispense yeah yeah base one 1933 01:16:40,340 --> 01:16:39,000 that comes up all the time it's funny 1934 01:16:42,290 --> 01:16:40,350 because it does actually happen all the 1935 01:16:44,270 --> 01:16:42,300 time people say I saw two planes in the 1936 01:16:46,730 --> 01:16:44,280 sky one left a trail one didn't leave 1937 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:46,740 Israel why is that in the night you know 1938 01:16:50,690 --> 01:16:47,970 I give them that explanation I've 1939 01:16:53,900 --> 01:16:50,700 written it down logical question you 1940 01:16:56,270 --> 01:16:53,910 know it's somebody saying I saw two suns 1941 01:16:59,870 --> 01:16:56,280 in the sky why did happen that's a 1942 01:17:00,950 --> 01:16:59,880 logical that's that is that can be a 1943 01:17:02,180 --> 01:17:00,960 logical question because you can 1944 01:17:03,740 --> 01:17:02,190 actually take photographs where it looks 1945 01:17:06,380 --> 01:17:03,750 like there's two suns maybe you get like 1946 01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:06,390 the lights right and sometimes you get 1947 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:07,770 these Sun dogs which look a bit like 1948 01:17:17,660 --> 01:17:12,090 Suns or you get clouds evidence of a 1949 01:17:19,820 --> 01:17:17,670 dorm dog yeah I think like any time 1950 01:17:21,830 --> 01:17:19,830 someone can show you something and say 1951 01:17:28,220 --> 01:17:21,840 why is this happening that's the valid 1952 01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:28,230 question I yeah yeah like so it's long 1953 01:17:32,120 --> 01:17:29,520 as they're not saying like you know this 1954 01:17:34,550 --> 01:17:32,130 this this proves that there's a dorm you 1955 01:17:37,169 --> 01:17:34,560 know if if if if the earth was a globe 1956 01:17:41,910 --> 01:17:37,179 then rainbows would be spherical 1957 01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:41,920 but yeah there is yeah it's Wendy saying 1958 01:17:45,689 --> 01:17:43,210 something when they make a claim I'll 1959 01:17:47,220 --> 01:17:45,699 say look a claim requires evidence no 1960 01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:47,230 chance I could be playing with evidence 1961 01:17:51,510 --> 01:17:49,330 or address the evidence their answers 1962 01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:51,520 your question mmm you can't you can't 1963 01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:53,409 just make flood you know fly out claims 1964 01:17:58,439 --> 01:17:55,390 like you know some bug proves the dome 1965 01:18:00,540 --> 01:17:58,449 right okay no look out science explains 1966 01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:00,550 some dogs in and found the problems with 1967 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:04,330 that yeah examination there's lots of 1968 01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:06,810 fun expert well not fun explanations fun 1969 01:18:10,620 --> 01:18:08,860 interesting websites that explain these 1970 01:18:12,149 --> 01:18:10,630 things for you and yeah things that you 1971 01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,159 can go check yourself you can check 1972 01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:14,080 refraction you can get some crystals and 1973 01:18:18,689 --> 01:18:15,520 you can you can do things with them and 1974 01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:18,699 see what happens well this is it has 1975 01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:20,650 been like you know we've been doing like 1976 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:22,330 an hour and a half I think now is there 1977 01:18:28,260 --> 01:18:23,770 anything that you want to talk about 1978 01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:28,270 that we haven't covered yet then I don't 1979 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:32,080 think so I have to say are the only 1980 01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:34,090 advice I can give to any kind of life is 1981 01:18:37,260 --> 01:18:35,530 watching is just cross examine what 1982 01:18:39,209 --> 01:18:37,270 you're here yeah cross examine 1983 01:18:40,979 --> 01:18:39,219 everything whether it's the explanation 1984 01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:40,989 given by the globe of the proofs given 1985 01:18:46,680 --> 01:18:43,409 by Flat Earth just cross examine just 1986 01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:46,690 that's the only way to get to for the 1987 01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:48,690 answers research gives you answers 1988 01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:50,890 researchers far down as you need to 1989 01:18:57,890 --> 01:18:53,370 answer you don't find any more floors 1990 01:19:02,100 --> 01:18:57,900 thinks about it and keep it open mind 1991 01:19:04,979 --> 01:19:02,110 yeah all right Johnny uh thank you very 1992 01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:04,989 much and I'll probably you to thank me 1993 01:19:07,330 --> 01:19:06,610 on yeah